Sala case

[NinianKnight]

Re: Sala case

lot of speculation on here about the workings of the French legal system

The French legal system is similar to the one in the UK. In civil cases the court works on the balance of probabilities and each side is allowed expert witnesses before a judge.

[light up the darkness]

Re: Sala case

He's not a City supporter.

I remember a bloke that looked like him sharing an African roll up near the old Grange End

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Sala case

The French legal system is similar to the one in the UK. In civil cases the court works on the balance of probabilities and each side is allowed expert witnesses before a judge.

There are significant differences between the Civil Law system in France, which was originally based on Napoleonic Code, and English Civil Law. The former is more inquisitorial with the judges being involved in investigating and the latter being more adversarial.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Sala case

Amazing how well connected people are these days.

:hehe:

[NinianKnight]

Re: Sala case

There are significant differences between the Civil Law system in France, which was originally based on Napoleonic Code, and English Civil Law. The former is more inquisitorial with the judges being involved in investigating and the latter being more adversarial.

But they both work on the balance of probabilities which is the most important thing.

I have taken part in Civil court proceedings on several occasions and I can assure you the Judge in very case was inquisitorial and investigative on the evidence before him. True there is amount of adversarial conflict but generally that happens under cross examination. I don't know if that happens in France but it would be odd if it didn't.

As said the two systems while not being exact copies of each other are very similar.

[jon1959]

Re: Sala case

Club statement just released:

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-071225-emiliano-sala-court-hearing

Tomorrow, Nantes’ commercial court will finally hear the substance of Cardiff City Football Club’s case against FC Nantes. We want FC Nantes to be held accountable for the faults committed by Willie McKay, FC Nantes’ true agent.

This tragedy, which began nearly seven years ago, cost Emiliano Sala his life. It is a tragedy that could and should have been avoided, had the people involved in the transfer on FC Nantes’ side not relied on the services of a banned agent, who went on to organise illegal flights to get the deal done.

On the eve of the hearing, however, there is hope. The hearing marks another step towards uncovering the truth and establishing more accountability in football.

This case isn’t about harming football: it’s about protecting its integrity. This is about ensuring higher standards across our sport, especially surrounding transfers.

Because Emiliano Sala deserved better. Because football deserves better.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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But they both work on the balance of probabilities which is the most important thing.

I have taken part in Civil court proceedings on several occasions and I can assure you the Judge in very case was inquisitorial and investigative on the evidence before him. True there is amount of adversarial conflict but generally that happens under cross examination. I don't know if that happens in France but it would be odd if it didn't.

As said the two systems while not being exact copies of each other are very similar.

Judges in the English system don't investigate, as such.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Sala case

Club statement just released:

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-071225-emiliano-sala-court-hearing

Tomorrow, Nantes’ commercial court will finally hear the substance of Cardiff City Football Club’s case against FC Nantes. We want FC Nantes to be held accountable for the faults committed by Willie McKay, FC Nantes’ true agent.

This tragedy, which began nearly seven years ago, cost Emiliano Sala his life. It is a tragedy that could and should have been avoided, had the people involved in the transfer on FC Nantes’ side not relied on the services of a banned agent, who went on to organise illegal flights to get the deal done.

On the eve of the hearing, however, there is hope. The hearing marks another step towards uncovering the truth and establishing more accountability in football.

This case isn’t about harming football: it’s about protecting its integrity. This is about ensuring higher standards across our sport, especially surrounding transfers.

Because Emiliano Sala deserved better. Because football deserves better.

Embarrassing statement.

Pretending to care about justice for sala when just want the money back

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Re: Sala case

The FC Nantes fans that I know just want Kita in jail…. asap.

Are you serious?

[TaffsWellThatEndsWell]

Re: Sala case

Embarrassing statement.

Pretending to care about justice for sala when just want the money back

Genuine question - why can't it be both? I can't conceive of any scenario where an organisation wouldn't care about both, especially given the specific circumstances of Sala's death.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Sala case

Genuine question - why can't it be both? I can't conceive of any scenario where an organisation wouldn't care about both, especially given the specific circumstances of Sala's death.

We were tucked up in bed with the same agent a year previously. All we care about is getting money back, our board couldn’t care less about Sala

[Ninian1962]

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We were tucked up in bed with the same agent a year previously. All we care about is getting money back, our board couldn’t care less about Sala

And the very substantial trust fund the club and owner set up for the Sala family soon after the tragedy occurred? Was that a sign of " couldn`t care less"? The same fund that FC Nantes refused to contribute to?

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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And the very substantial trust fund the club and owner set up for the Sala family soon after the tragedy occurred? Was that a sign of " couldn`t care less"? The same fund that FC Nantes refused to contribute to?

I donÂ’t believe the amount we put in was ever disclosed so hard to comment on whether it was substantial

The club states it is after justice for Sala and for accountability for the whole of football then on the other hand is demanding 120m (having paid 15m)

[City123]

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I donÂ’t believe the amount we put in was ever disclosed so hard to comment on whether it was substantial

The club states it is after justice for Sala and for accountability for the whole of football then on the other hand is demanding 120m (having paid 15m)

"Substantial" is the word the reports used at the time

[pomeroy]

Re: Sala case

I donÂ’t believe the amount we put in was ever disclosed so hard to comment on whether it was substantial

The club states it is after justice for Sala and for accountability for the whole of football then on the other hand is demanding 120m (having paid 15m)

I think the club would be happy to get the fee paid for Sala back. A principle is at stake here. You recall that FIFA, the EFL and the Court of Abitration for Sport all determined, before the full facts of the case were known , that the club were in the wrong. Not only did Nantes not contribute to the Sala family fund but neither did the EFL and the club were sanctioned by the various governing bodies into transfer embargoes and fee restraints and also had to pay the legal fees of those organisations threatening us with action.The Kita family that own Nantes are already under investigation by the French police for fraud, money laundering and the use of illegal agents. If the case goes the clubs way, and there is no guarantee of that, I am of a mind that Tan will take FIFA , the EFL and the Court of Arbitration for Sport to the cleaners, then hopefully we will see some justice for the Sala family!!