Ollie Robinson/Twitter

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

If anyone else made tweets like that they’d be sacked within a week so if people get their way he won’t be being treated differently because he’s good at a niche sport.

You must be furious about this lad going to prison for 10 weeks - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...-teen-20644989

Personally I'd hope that people can see a difference between braindead tweets, and karate kicking a 74yr old man into a river. Struggling to believe you're actually being serious here

[Hilts]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

In terms of the fact he was 18 at the time, for me the only reason that's important is in the context of him not having any 'form' over the next 9 years. I think an 18 year old should take full responsibility for their actions. I don't think a 27yr old should be punished for tweets made at 18, that haven't been followed up since. Ollie Robinson was a complete wanker at the age of 18, thats part of the reason he is 27 before getting into the test side. People don't mature at the same rate, his maturing process obviously came post 18.

If they were recent history I'd support a 2 game ban, but these tweets were 9 years ago

If Robinson had say committed a crime say an assault at 18 and only been identified now do you think we should say ah but hes been a good lad since so lets forget about it.

I think the ECB are doing the right thing. Full investigation and if hes done nothing since is clearly remorseful and not the person he was then probably a short ban.

I dont want his career ruined but then I havent been affected like Michael Carberry , and the others that Robinson thought it so funny to mock.

I dont think just saying forget about it would do the player any favours either.

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

If Robinson had say committed a crime say an assault at 18 and only been identified now do you think we should say ah but hes been a good lad since so lets forget about it.

I think the ECB are doing the right thing. Full investigation and if hes done nothing since is clearly remorseful and not the person he was then probably a short ban.

I dont want his career ruined but then I havent been affected like Michael Carberry , and the others that Robinson thought it so funny to mock.

I dont think just saying forget about it would do the player any favours either.

The trouble with the examples like that though is that I just don't think they fit. Say he had been convicted of assault at 18, had a suspended sentence or whatever. People would I imagine , be perfectly happy for him to play. Or what if this moron who 'discovered ' the tweets had done it 2 years ago?

Those tweets were seemingly reflective of his personality at that stage of his life. Thats why he couldn't hold down a county contract. He was a complete prick, and didn't deserve to be around professional cricket at that age.

As for Carberry, I feel for him. There was something going on with the way the selectors looked at him. He was an absolutely brilliant batsman across all formats. My thoughts at the time were that you ideally needed to be a white south African to play cricket for England, if you were a white South African you didn't even have to be very good at the game to get into the England side(kieswetter and lumb being the prime examples). If you were a white British player you had to pull up trees, black british like Carberry could have averaged 100 and still wouldn't have got a sniff.

But nothing has ever happened to the selectors, nobody has ever gone back to them and questioned them on their policies or their personal 'criteria' . One of the few good things about 18yr old braindead knuckle draggers is that they don't tend to be near the levers of power. The people who closed the door to the likes of carberry are the ones who deserve to be in the firing line

[blue matt]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

Personally I'd hope that people can see a difference between braindead tweets, and karate kicking a 74yr old man into a river. Struggling to believe you're actually being serious here

dont worry, he isnt being serious

has a pattern of discussion its sensible discussion - idiotic example of something that even the people arguing the same side as him think " wtf " - a personal insult just to prove he has ran out of idea's


you wait till his " mate " Rudy comes along to agree with him against you then you know you have made it on CCMB

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

I probably should have checked the whole story out before diving in. He's missing this game as 'suspended under investigation ' rather than being banned for a game. With the quick turnaround between tests it seems fair for him to miss this one. The ecb would be failing in their responsibilities if they didn't investigate this properly before allowing him back in. Quite shameful really that boris and dowden have decided to jump in and condemn what is essentially an employment disciplinary investigation.

[blue matt]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

here is one, did punishment have to be him missing a test / series ? ? ? could he have spent his spare time ( how ever many hours were deemed fit as punishment ) going around schools educating children on the power of social media and how negative remarks can effect lives

I noticed he has been " given time off " by sussex for his mental heath and wellbeing

[Tuerto]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

here is one, did punishment have to be him missing a test / series ? ? ? could he have spent his spare time ( how ever many hours were deemed fit as punishment ) going around schools educating children on the power of social media and how negative remarks can effect lives

I noticed he has been " given time off " by sussex for his mental heath and wellbeing

Why do you think that he's in any position to tell kids what's right and wrong? It's always school kids and the military that are you touted as a tool to rehabilitate poor behaviour!

A question for you. What would your reaction be if this was an 18 to year old British born Muslim, who just so happened to be a very good cricketer and was representing England, but had posted inflammatory tweets about the British military invading Muslim countries and attacking British foreign policy? How would you react to that, and how do you think the right wing media would react? You reckon it would be a case of ' Stupid Boy' because I don't.

[lardy]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

Why do you think that he's in any position to tell kids what's right and wrong? It's always school kids and the military that are you touted as a tool to rehabilitate poor behaviour!

A question for you. What would your reaction be if this was an 18 to year old British born Muslim, who just so happened to be a very good cricketer and was representing England, but had posted inflammatory tweets about the British military invading Muslim countries and attacking British foreign policy? How would you react to that, and how do you think the right wing media would react? You reckon it would be a case of ' Stupid Boy' because I don't.

I guess they'll learn that it doesn't matter what you do as a kid, or even at 18.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

Many of us were fortunate in growing up at a juncture in when our immature behaviour and comments were not recorded, either deliberately or otherwise. No-one in their right minds condones racism but we also have to avoid the pitchfork mentality that is all-pervading these days. Measured responses rather than hysterical ones are required. End of sermon.

[willo1927]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

In terms of the fact he was 18 at the time, for me the only reason that's important is in the context of him not having any 'form' over the next 9 years. I think an 18 year old should take full responsibility for their actions. I don't think a 27yr old should be punished for tweets made at 18, that haven't been followed up since. Ollie Robinson was a complete wanker at the age of 18, thats part of the reason he is 27 before getting into the test side. People don't mature at the same rate, his maturing process obviously came post 18.

If they were recent history I'd support a 2 game ban, but these tweets were 9 years ago

Be careful now
You're talking sense and some on here don't like that.
They think that every 18 yo is a mature wellrounded adult.
I have coached youngster from 6 to 18 and there is a vast difference in maturity in boys of the same age.
We can't just brush under the carpet what he did but I think educating is the way to go not suspension but the pitchforks are out with certain people on here.

[willo1927]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

Many of us were fortunate in growing up at a juncture in when our immature behaviour and comments were not recorded, either deliberately or otherwise. No-one in their right minds condones racism but we also have to avoid the pitchfork mentality that is all-pervading these days. Measured responses rather than hysterical ones are required. End of sermon.

Well said

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

Be careful now
You're talking sense and some on here don't like that.
They think that every 18 yo is a mature wellrounded adult.
I have coached youngster from 6 to 18 and there is a vast difference in maturity in boys of the same age.
We can't just brush under the carpet what he did but I think educating is the way to go not suspension but the pitchforks are out with certain people on here.

I probably should have checked the whole story out before diving in. He's missing this game as 'suspended under investigation ' rather than being banned for a game. With the quick turnaround between tests it seems fair for him to miss this one. The ecb would be failing in their responsibilities if they didn't investigate this properly before allowing him back in. Quite shameful really that boris and dowden have decided to jump in and condemn what is essentially an employment disciplinary investigation.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

I think you're tying yourself in knots a bit there Elwood - you agree that there were racist tweets, but then seek to excuse/defend Robinson, to me that means, by the definition of the word I posted on here, you're being an apologist for him.

What you say would have far more merit in my opinion if Robinson was, say, thirteen or fourteen when he made those tweets (that is, at an age where he could reasonably be expected not to fully understand the implications of what he was saying) - he wasn't though, he was eighteen.

In fact, off the top of my head, I'm struggling to come up with anything which precludes someone aged eighteen from being considered an adult. They are considered an adult for the purposes of the law, they can have legally have sex, they can marry, they can drink in a pub, gamble in a casino, watch "adult" films in a cinema, they can vote and they can become an MP. In short, eighteen appears to be the cut off age where someone is considered to be old enough to live with the consequences of their actions - they are thought to be an adult.

The England and Wales Cricket Board have found themselves in a very awkward position in the past week, they are in a situation where there are no easy answers, but just consider the consequences of them doing nothing to Robinson except slapping his wrist (which, effectively, is what you and others are arguing).

Robinson was the same age as the youngest player to ever be selected in a senior test match for England when he wrote those tweets. Bolton born Haseeb Hameed was one year older than Robinson was when he made a very impressive beginning to his test career in India in 2016. Since then Hameed has had a terrible time due to loss of form, but he's come back well enough to have earned a recall to the test squad this summer, so he was in the same dressing room as Robinson this week.

I can only guess as to what Hameed's reaction would have been if the suits had decided to take no further action against Robinson because he was "young and immature" when he said what he did. Similarly, what would Moeen Ali (who I think has been an absolute credit to the UK's Asian heritage population during his international cricket career) or Adil Rashid, or Robinson's Sussex team mate Joffra Archer have thought? Maybe they all would be fine with it, but very significant numbers of law abiding Britons who are not white would, I'm sure, not have been and could you really blame them?

What would Craig Overton, who served a two match ban in 2015 for racially insulting an opponent when he was twenty one (is that too young and immature for him to take full responsibility for what he said in your book?), and is another who shared the dressing room with Robinson this week have made of it if he had not been banned for at least one match? I'm going to be a bit of a racism apologist here myself now and say that I feel that there is an argument (albeit a weak one) to say that as Overton's offence was a spur of the moment thing borne out of frustration on the sporting field, his punishment should be lighter than Robinson's because there was an element of premeditation to what he did that is not present in the Overton case.

No I was not tying myself in knots Bob.

If you read my post carefully you will see that I have not expressed my view on the Robinson situation, indeed I used terms such as "people weren't and also "they" whenever I referred to anyone supporting the view that he should not be suspended.

I was therefore not defending him for him but seeking to point out that the people who were defending him were doing so because they were against the punishment not because they supported racism. They may have been "Robinson apologists" but not "racist apologists".

I you really want my view (instead of presuming to know what my views are which you have form for in my case and others as well) they are that I can agree with what the ECB has done in suspending him pending investigation as long as they pull their fingers out and get it sorted out quickly.

Rather than give a long answer to the rest of your epistle I will just say I am in in agreement with this comment I saw which I think in its way covers the subject

"If he has done something like that nine years ago, and since then he has learnt and he has done nothing like that and he has changed his ways in recent years, then I don't think you should come down too hard on him,

I was a young man once, I did a lot of rubbish as a youngster, and as you go through life you learn and recognise ‘Oh, perhaps what I did at 18 doesn’t apply now, I can’t behave like that now’"

Over to you. but please try not to put words in my mouth in future

[Tuerto]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

No I was not tying myself in knots Bob.

If you read my post carefully you will see that I have not expressed my view on the Robinson situation, indeed I used terms such as "people weren't and also "they" whenever I referred to anyone supporting the view that he should not be suspended.

I was therefore not defending him for him but seeking to point out that the people who were defending him were doing so because they were against the punishment not because they supported racism. They may have been "Robinson apologists" but not "racist apologists".

I you really want my view (instead of presuming to know what my views are which you have form for in my case and others as well) they are that I can agree with what the ECB has done in suspending him pending investigation as long as they pull their fingers out and get it sorted out quickly.

Rather than give a long answer to the rest of your epistle I will just say I am in in agreement with this comment I saw which I think in its way covers the subject

"If he has done something like that nine years ago, and since then he has learnt and he has done nothing like that and he has changed his ways in recent years, then I don't think you should come down too hard on him,

I was a young man once, I did a lot of rubbish as a youngster, and as you go through life you learn and recognise ‘Oh, perhaps what I did at 18 doesn’t apply now, I can’t behave like that now’"

Over to you. but please try not to put words in my mouth in future

Did you say things like that as an 18 year old, just out of interest.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

No did you?

Oh and do you agree with my quote at the end?