Joey Barton

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Re: Joey Barton

People should be given positions based on their ability, that is true. Do you think black people are less able to be in boardrooms? I mean, is it not a bit odd that there are:

• No black Chairmen
• No Black CEOs
• No black CFOs

in any of the top 100 companies in the UK?

Also, isn't it a bit odd that only 3.4% of these positions are held by ethnic minorities in 2021. The same percentage as 2014?

Yes, people should be picked on ability but surely you would expect to see a similar percentage of black people in dugouts as you see on a pitch? Similarly, you would expect to see a similar percentage of black people in boardrooms as you see on the payroll. I mean, that isn't going for percentages, but it's striking that the percentages are vastly different at top levels of business compared to the rest of the business isn't it? Maybe it isn't striking to you?

Much better than i could've put it :thumbup:

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Much better than i could've put it :thumbup:

But none of that translates to your statement that Barton only got the job because he is white. How many black people applied for it ffs?

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But none of that translates to your statement that Barton only got the job because he is white. How many black people applied for it ffs?

That's a different question to the one you asked.

I'll put your question back here.

Are you suggesting that black people in whatever profession should have management or boardroom positions in proportion to their numbers in the said industry, regardless of their ability? That percentages are more important than ability?

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Re: Joey Barton

People should be given positions based on their ability, that is true. Do you think black people are less able to be in boardrooms? I mean, is it not a bit odd that there are:

• No black Chairmen
• No Black CEOs
• No black CFOs

in any of the top 100 companies in the UK?

Also, isn't it a bit odd that only 3.4% of these positions are held by ethnic minorities in 2021. The same percentage as 2014?

Yes, people should be picked on ability but surely you would expect to see a similar percentage of black people in dugouts as you see on a pitch? Similarly, you would expect to see a similar percentage of black people in boardrooms as you see on the payroll. I mean, that isn't going for percentages, but it's striking that the percentages are vastly different at top levels of business compared to the rest of the business isn't it? Maybe it isn't striking to you?

In the face of facts, it is possible that the goalposts will be moved. :hehe:

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That's a different question to the one you asked.

I'll put your question back here.

i:wave:

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i:wave:

As I said, in the face of facts it is possible that the goalposts will be moved.

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Leathering

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As I said, in the face of facts it is possible that the goalposts will be moved.

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Are you suggesting that black people in whatever profession should have management or boardroom positions in proportion to their numbers in the said industry, regardless of their ability? That percentages are more important than ability?
To me that sounds like a recipe for failure.

Some people think positive discrimination , ensuring that for example the police force represents the local community , to be a good thing

I think a lot of the people who object to this are hiding something 🤔

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Or, to put it another way, do you think that the lack of black people in the positions of Chairmen, CEOs or CFOs at the top 100 companies in the UK is because black people are incapable of doing the job?

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Some people think positive discrimination , ensuring that for example the police force represents the local community , to be a good thing

I think a lot of the people who object to this are hiding something ��

There is always the excuse by people that "people should be picked on merit" which is what this chap basically said before moving the goalposts. That is absolutely correct. People should be picked on merit. And, if you were looking at one or two companies and seeing a wholly white boardroom, it would be a case of "nothing to see here, it's only two companies". But, 100 companies? 200 football clubs? It's not positive discrimination to see black people in boardrooms or dugouts. It is, surely, to be expected when roughly 20% of the UK population is non-white, that roughly 20% of the boardrooms are also non-white.

Or, am I missing something here? I mean, thinking about it, more than 20% of cleaning staff are non-white. I guess that is ok though, because who wants to be a cleaner, right?

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But none of that translates to your statement that Barton only got the job because he is white. How many black people applied for it ffs?

Ok, i'll put it another way. He wouldn't have got the job if he was black, which means he's white. Is that better?

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In footballing terms I've never bought into the idea that club owners/board members are racist and that is the reason that black managers do not get jobs.

Football squads are a complete mix of all sorts of players these days with all sorts of backgrounds. There are a large percentage of black players in the Premier League for example. Would the squads not be largely white at these clubs with so called racist owners?
Or do they suddenly start clamping down on black men getting managerial positions only?

Do I think clubs are turning down better qualified black men due to the colour of their skin alone? No. It doesn't make sense to employ black players and then show your racist side when a manager is considered.
I honestly think it is down to managerial ability. How many ex black pros go into management even?

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In footballing terms I've never bought into the idea that club owners/board members are racist and that is the reason that black managers do not get jobs.

Football squads are a complete mix of all sorts of players these days with all sorts of backgrounds. There are a large percentage of black players in the Premier League for example. Would the squads not be largely white at these clubs with so called racist owners?
Or do they suddenly start clamping down on black men getting managerial positions only?

Do I think clubs are turning down better qualified black men due to the colour of their skin alone? No. It doesn't make sense to employ black players and then show your racist side when a manager is considered.
I honestly think it is down to managerial ability. How many ex black pros go into management even?

How many ex pro black footballers get the chance to go into management ?

You would have thought that given the large number of black players , as you say , in modern football that a fair few would want to go into management ?

If we assume that a black footballer thinks , breathes and behaves in the same way as his white team mates .......which is of course true .......then a similar percentage of black players would have ideas of management as white players ?

So if that's the case somethings going on

The days of football club owners not employing black players we would hope is in the past but black ex players as managers ?

Its just not happening

Mark Hughes , Steve Bruce , Pulis , Warnock , Steve Coppell , David Moyes , managerial merry-go-round

There are even more black players in the game now

What's happening ?

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There is always the excuse by people that "people should be picked on merit" which is what this chap basically said before moving the goalposts. That is absolutely correct. People should be picked on merit. And, if you were looking at one or two companies and seeing a wholly white boardroom, it would be a case of "nothing to see here, it's only two companies". But, 100 companies? 200 football clubs? It's not positive discrimination to see black people in boardrooms or dugouts. It is, surely, to be expected when roughly 20% of the UK population is non-white, that roughly 20% of the boardrooms are also non-white.

Or, am I missing something here? I mean, thinking about it, more than 20% of cleaning staff are non-white. I guess that is ok though, because who wants to be a cleaner, right?

The excuse that black footballers are not interested in management is simply untrue

It is what it is , an excuse