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Glam 150-4, 117 in front

Just heard that Carlson is now the youngest Glammy player to score a first class century

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It gives me great pleasure to report, not solely because of all the doom and gloom over the last day on the footy front, that Glamorgan's batsmen may have learnt something from their bowlers....how to bat!
After losing Selman pretty early on, Cap'n Jacques and Bragg look like making a century partnership. Glammy currently 107 for 1 after dispatching the tail this morning pretty cheaply.

After the Lord mayors show and all but it would be nice to p1ss on moneybags Essex's parade

That would be nice I've never liked them

[the other bob wilson]

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It gives me great pleasure to report, not solely because of all the doom and gloom over the last day on the footy front, that Glamorgan's batsmen may have learnt something from their bowlers....how to bat!
After losing Selman pretty early on, Cap'n Jacques and Bragg look like making a century partnership. Glammy currently 107 for 1 after dispatching the tail this morning pretty cheaply.

After the Lord mayors show and all but it would be nice to p1ss on moneybags Essex's parade

Er, 208-7 after declining from 127-1 to 163-7.

[Pearcey3]

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You beat me to it Paul. Yet another collapse.
I think you and others are being very kind to the batsmen. They can't just go out and play their shots. I know you haven't said that but what has been going on has been unprofessional.They should be looking to gradually build an innings rather than play high risk cricket and give their wickets away. They can play like that in T20.

Crofty isn't a batting specialist. He can nurture our spinners but the batsmen need a former batsman to guide them. It really should be a priority.

I do agree that the emergence of a healthy crop of youngsters has been a delight to see but it concerns me they will end up picking up the same had habits as their seniors.
I hope Morris pays off Rudolph as he occupies a place that may deny one of our youngsters next season.

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You beat me to it Paul. Yet another collapse.
I think you and others are being very kind to the batsmen. They can't just go out and play their shots. I know you haven't said that but what has been going on has been unprofessional.They should be looking to gradually build an innings rather than play high risk cricket and give their wickets away. They can play like that in T20.

Crofty isn't a batting specialist. He can nurture our spinners but the batsmen need a former batsman to guide them. It really should be a priority.

I do agree that the emergence of a healthy crop of youngsters has been a delight to see but it concerns me they will end up picking up the same had habits as their seniors.
I hope Morris pays off Rudolph as he occupies a place that may deny one of our youngsters next season.

Why does a batsman need a former batsman to coach him.

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Why does a batsman need a former batsman to coach him.

To install the right mindset which our lot clearly do not have. Stick them with Chris Tavare next season and make them appreciate the value of their wickets. We have a team that doesn't know how to play the situation in any given match.

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The Tavare bit was partially tongue in cheek but we don't have players who know how to graft for an innings and fight it out.

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To install the right mindset which our lot clearly do not have. Stick them with Chris Tavare next season and make them appreciste the value of their wickets. We have a team that doesn't know how to play the situation in any given match.

When you go into cricket coaching they don't allocate roles on how you played, Croft would have done the top end qualification to get to this point, he is more than capable of doing more that talking to the spinners.

That being said there is something to be said of talking to a batsman who has played at the top level for tips, that could be done on a consultancy basis, or they would get tips of the captain of the team who has 6 test centuries and a high score of 222*

A bowler stands in front of a batsman and analyses his technique every ball. If you have a problem with your technique why wouldnt you talk to a bowler, and ask him how he would go about getting him out and what he should change to put this right.

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When you go into cricket coaching they don't allocate roles on how you played, Croft would have done the top end qualification to get to this point, he is more than capable of doing more that talking to the spinners.

That being said there is something to be said of talking to a batsman who has played at the top level for tips, that could be done on a consultancy basis, or they would get tips of the captain of the team who has 6 test centuries and a high score of 222*

A bowler stands in front of a batsman and analyses his technique every ball. If you have a problem with your technique why wouldnt you talk to a bowler, and ask him how he would go about getting him out and what he should change to put this right.

If Croft is more than capable of doing this it certainly isn't showing. My view is that the batting is reckless and we need someone like a Tavare or Boycott to come in and analyse why we are being bowled out so cheaply time and again. You could ask a bowler I suppose but I think it is more about mindset than technique.

One other point. If Rudolph does stay our youngsters will have very limited opportunities as the side would be something like


Selman
Rudolph
Bragg
Ingram
Donald
Cooke
Wallace
Wagg
New bowler
Van Der Gugten
Hogan

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What do you all think about this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37365637

[Pearcey3]

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What do you all think about this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37365637

Not keen but I suspect it's the future. For teams like!e Somerset and Sussex I can't see what would be in it for their supporters. Would Somerset have to support a Bristol team? Can't see how there would be a connection.

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Well done to Wally on leading a brave fightback at 280/8

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Well done to Wally on leading a brave fightback at 280/8

Yes well done Wally, he's still there on 75, were 293-9 at least we've bettered the 1st innings score

[the other bob wilson]

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Wallace run out (!) already - Essex need 263 to win

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Interesting chat with the retiring seamers Masters and Napier, during the Essex break.

The were saying that Silverwood has Essex set-up to play attritional cricket, where the batsman grid out the bigger scores, and that their seamers can then chip away at a top of off stump line and make it hard for the opposition batsman.

I would say that that attitude is the direct opposite of the attitude Croft bring to the game, especially with his quotes in the press.

My point is that we don’t really need new coaches, I find the need for a batting coach a bit unwarranted, because there is batting experience already at the club in the shape of Morris and Rudolph that can pass those messages over, and also the fact that you would say younger players need coaching, while senior players need tweaks in their technique. The fact that its our younger players that are doing well points to there being something going right in the coaching.

What we do need in the longer form game is a change in attitude.

Maybe we are seeing pressure from the top that our shorter form games are attractive because that brings in the money, so we have focused all our play on that to the determent of the championship game.

I was speaking to someone involved in St Fagans this season, and he was very much of the old school coaching format where you take a youngster and you teach them technique first and then expand their game as their strength grows, and I remember many a game down there where you would come up against a younger player, and he wouldn’t score but you wouldn’t get him out either. They then had Matthew Maynard come down to take a session and he went in right away and forget all that and just hit it as far as you can, the members were shocked, but maybe that is the way the game is going these days. That you teach a player to slog first and the technique comes afterwards. Maybe Croft then comes from that school of thought, and what we will se is some frustrating seasons while it all comes together.