Omicron No more than a cold ?

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Re: Omicron No more than a cold ?

This virus has shown that there are a lot of idiots out there

The Scientists are doing their best on available date to deal with things and suggest public health steps

We had no idea omicron was going to be possibly weak so yah boo socks to people whingeing about boosters and restrictions

If a highly qualified scientist or doctor on available data says we have something nasty coming , it's mutating , get prepared then the wise thing to do is get prepared

Not ponce about on Facebook complaining if it's a false alarm

We havnt cured cancer yet but we save many more lives these days

Or we could go back to dancing around a fire 🔥

[blue matt]

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We had no idea omicron was going to be possibly weak so yah boo socks to people whingeing about boosters and restrictions

The Scientists / medical professionals were telling the world that Omicron was weaker that previous variants, this was 2 weeks ago now

[Citizen's Nephew]

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yes i agree effects people in different ways

I had it last month and luckily had sod all wrong with me just aching limbs for 1 day a bit sleepy and a slight sore throat . had to isolate for 10 days and didn't see a single soul for 12 days . Not complaining as lots of people have it alot worse

as for everyone to get vaccinated worldwide i feel thats a tall order but to say to end civilisation is a bit extreme .

There are some countries dealing with it better than others check out Japan for example

The biggest cruise ship in the world royal caribbean grandeur a few days ago had 55 cases of covid on board out of a total of fully vaccinated 6,000 people according to the cruise line .

How can a fully vaccinated population get any covid positives if everyone on board is vaccinated and tested before boarding ? I don't get it

i won't post a link as i will get accused of all sorts . google it yourself

That's approx. 0.9% of the ship's pop. which is actually really good for something that isn't a clinical trial, uncontrolled, and where people can lie. Plus, you'd need to factor in false +ves & false -ves if they're using LF tests. Increase those figures by log factors and if that was the UK pop of say approx. 60M then that's only around 540,000 +ves. You're actually arguing FOR vaccination without realising it. Expand those figures further to the number of likely fatalities and the figures are even better. Conclusion = vaccinations good.

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The Scientists / medical professionals were telling the world that Omicron was weaker that previous variants, this was 2 weeks ago now

But extremely virulent and could have caused public health services to be even more swamped than they already are

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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The Scientists / medical professionals were telling the world that Omicron was weaker that previous variants, this was 2 weeks ago now

And one of my friends father is in hospital on a ventilator with it and four of my youngish (30 - 45) friends are rough with it.

What do you do?

The leaders of the country are damned if they prepare for the worse or damned if they do nothing.

Personally I'd rather overprepare and save one life than under prepare and lose lots.

[blue matt]

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We had no idea omicron was going to be possibly weak so yah boo socks to people whingeing about boosters and restrictions

But extremely virulent and could have caused public health services to be even more swamped than they already are

yes they said it had a higher transmission rate , but was weaker than previous variants ( Delta )

[MOZZER2]

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That's approx. 0.9% of the ship's pop. which is actually really good for something that isn't a clinical trial, uncontrolled, and where people can lie. Plus, you'd need to factor in false +ves & false -ves if they're using LF tests. Increase those figures by log factors and if that was the UK pop of say approx. 60M then that's only around 540,000 +ves. You're actually arguing FOR vaccination without realising it. Expand those figures further to the number of likely fatalities and the figures are even better. Conclusion = vaccinations good.

thanks for response citizen .

the only take on that how the hell can anyone lie about boarding a ship without a PCR test and fully jabbed ? The protocols wouldn't allow that

In terms of language used i would expect 100 per cent yield going in and 100 per cent yield coming out which in terms of six sigma is 3.4 defects per 1 million opportunities

A six sigma process is one in which 99.99966% of all opportunities to produce some feature of a part are statistically expected to be free of defects a defined measurement used in engineering

lets hope its a good vaccine !

[blue matt]

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And one of my friends father is in hospital on a ventilator with it and four of my youngish (30 - 45) friends are rough with it.

What do you do?

The leaders of the country are damned if they prepare for the worse or damned if they do nothing.

Personally I'd rather overprepare and save one life than under prepare and lose lots.

Good luck to them, its not a decision I would want to be making, you make the right call 20 times and its expected as you are s.posed to protect the country, make one wrong call and you that is what will define the whole time

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Good luck to them, its not a decision I would want to be making, you make the right call 20 times and its expected as you are s.posed to protect the country, make one wrong call and you that is what will define the whole time

I'm just amazed at the amount of Phd's are held by people on football massage boards and how much access to data they have.

You'd swear that every mechanic, bus driver and button monkey is worth listening too.

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I'm just amazed at the amount of Phd's are held by people on football massage boards and how much access to data they have.

You'd swear that every mechanic, bus driver and button monkey is worth listening too.

Facebook , twitter , local Facebook hubs , Wales online

It's bring out the dead time on these places

Darwin has not arrived for some

[Citizen's Nephew]

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thanks for response citizen .

the only take on that how the hell can anyone lie about boarding a ship without a PCR test and fully jabbed ? The protocols wouldn't allow that

In terms of language used i would expect 100 per cent yield going in and 100 per cent yield coming out which in terms of six sigma is 3.4 defects per 1 million opportunities

A six sigma process is one in which 99.99966% of all opportunities to produce some feature of a part are statistically expected to be free of defects a defined measurement used in engineering

lets hope its a good vaccine !

Hey Moz, I do understand the confusion. I don't know the answer as to how people could lie in this scenario, but it has to factored in. Maybe the ship's cat brought it onboard? I'm joking. But you can't extrapolate the precision data from an unprecise trial. 100% yields can't really apply to efficacy i.e. the efficacy of the vaccine. For example, some of those vaccines will fall within an efficacy/potency level and some will fall outside. I'd have to look at Pharmacopeia guidelines to check levels for these but they will exist and won't be of the engineering levels of defects. Then, for example, someone may have had a vaccine, it's been recorded as them having a vaccine, but they didn't get the full dose because of whatever factors contributed to that. These are small but not impossible.

In a controlled clinical trial, everything would be checked, cross-checked, blind, double blind, whatever but most importantly, those clinical subjects wouldn't be allowed out of sight. Everything would be monitored. I get the free of defects analogy but that only applies to the syringe and needle, not the vaccine itself, and certainly not when it comes to the diversity of physiology. Does that make sense? I'm doing this really quickly and can continue tomorrow.

[MOZZER2]

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Hey Moz, I do understand the confusion. I don't know the answer as to how people could lie in this scenario, but it has to factored in. Maybe the ship's cat brought it onboard? I'm joking. But you can't extrapolate the precision data from an unprecise trial. 100% yields can't really apply to efficacy i.e. the efficacy of the vaccine. For example, some of those vaccines will fall within an efficacy/potency level and some will fall outside. I'd have to look at Pharmacopeia guidelines to check levels for these but they will exist and won't be of the engineering levels of defects. Then, for example, someone may have had a vaccine, it's been recorded as them having a vaccine, but they didn't get the full dose because of whatever factors contributed to that. These are small but not impossible.

In a controlled clinical trial, everything would be checked, cross-checked, blind, double blind, whatever but most importantly, those clinical subjects wouldn't be allowed out of sight. Everything would be monitored. I get the free of defects analogy but that only applies to the syringe and needle, not the vaccine itself, and certainly not when it comes to the diversity of physiology. Does that make sense? I'm doing this really quickly and can continue tomorrow.

No i don't agree with that citizen so many flaws with your answers

As its xmas I am chilling out now and will glady oblige with having a good debate after xmas.

lets hope everyone on here on stays safe all over the xmas period and beyond

[splott parker]

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When we get the news that there’s 100,000 new cases today, why can’t we get the news that 75,000 recovered yesterday? The ‘new’ cases haven’t got it forever, or have I got it wrong?

[Cyclops]

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This guy called it right three weeks ago.. ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7zy6_0Z2s&t=1010s&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell

He also said it was good so many would be affected albeit mildly as immunity would be increased and this might even knock Covid on the head

[Citizen's Nephew]

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This guy called it right three weeks ago.. ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7zy6_0Z2s&t=1010s&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell

He also said it was good so many would be affected albeit mildly as immunity would be increased and this might even knock Covid on the head

I like John Cambell's videos and delivery. Yup, this was highlighted weeks ago. He's right about panic mode. In my view our current restrictions are entirely down to the lack of planning and resources required to stop health services from becoming overwhelmed. That sounds reasonable until it's highlighted that before Covid 19 they were run into the ground and two years on we are in a worse situation in terms of staff and resources. That's outrageous. If the opposition or any politician can't work with that scenario, then there's no hope.

Anyway, as Moz said earlier, time to chill and snaffle a mince pie or two if I can get Mrs Citizen to do some more baking after she's done the washing up and ironed my newspaper.