england cricket

[TWGL1]

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Root needs to concentrate on his batting and step aside as captain.

I'd put the Kent Captain Sam Billings in .

That’s a good shout, apparently he is brilliant in the dressing room and well liked.

Some of the best captains in cricket are not always the best players so he could fit the bill.

[Seabird]

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Billings is a very good wicket-keeper but, as yet, there is little evidence as to whether he would be up to the job of England captain and I can't see the people who make these decisions taking that option. But they have been wrong (and me) before.

[poc]

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How about giving the captaincy to Stuart Broad for a couple of years, whilst they think about a longer term captain such as Pope or Lawrence?

honestly cant think of anyone at the moment it wouldnt surprise me if they go for broad

[chrisp_1927]

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Must be an exciting pre season for a lot of county cricketers. First time in decades that performing well in the championship will make it hard not to be picked for the England side. There look to be about 3 players around the test side who actually deserve their place, surely the rest is up for grabs. Wouldn't be surprised to see Carlson in the England team by end of summer, in fact I wouldn't be too surprised to see him captain England within a year or 2.

[TWGL1]

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Must be an exciting pre season for a lot of county cricketers. First time in decades that performing well in the championship will make it hard not to be picked for the England side. There look to be about 3 players around the test side who actually deserve their place, surely the rest is up for grabs. Wouldn't be surprised to see Carlson in the England team by end of summer, in fact I wouldn't be too surprised to see him captain England within a year or 2.

James Vince a possibility?

[chrisp_1927]

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James Vince a possibility?

Definitely possible, not sure if the selectors see him as someone who's already had his chance. I've always been surprised that him and malan didn't find their feet a big quicker at test level.

[TWGL1]

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Definitely possible, not sure if the selectors see him as someone who's already had his chance. I've always been surprised that him and malan didn't find their feet a big quicker at test level.

I don’t think he’s any worse than the current batsmen in his preferred position. If he can reign in his shot selection I think he could be a candidate

https://wisden.com/stories/stats-analysis/james-vince-unlucky-analysis-cricviz

[the other bob wilson]

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Is there an England qualified current player in county cricket who you think could come into the side and average 35 to 40 in test cricket over a period of, say, three years? I can’t think of one - apparently Rory Burns has the best average out of the specialist batsmen who have come into the side in recent years and it’s just a shade over 30.

Part of the problem is that a week onThursday I think it is, the four day season starts and will be played through to the end of May when T20 and the Hundred take over for the time of year when you’re likely to see the best weather for cricket in terms of batting.

So, potential England test players have to get noticed in playing conditions which generally suit dibbly dobbly seamers rather than the sort of bowlers you’re likely to come across in test cricket. The conditions the England selectors see potential test players perform in do not suit batsmen, spin bowlers and genuine quick bowlers and it’s played with a ball which moves about too much - selection therefore is decided by a series of hunches and with crossed fingers.

English four day conditions do not favour the specialisms that mark true test players out and has resulted in a test batting line up that has only one proven batsman of test class in Root and another one in Stokes who is good enough to get into the side purely for his batting because the rest are so poor.

Really bowler friendly four day conditions has also had a big effect on that part of the game as well, as the assembly of journey men that represented them on this tour were really found out once Wood was injured. Mahmood’s got something and Robinson looks the best of the bunch of the 81/82 mph merchants when they can get him on the pitch, but they really need Archer back and they also need to have the courage to give Parkinson a try somewhere along the line because he may just be the spinner England desperately need.

[chrisp_1927]

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Is there an England qualified current player in county cricket who you think could come into the side and average 35 to 40 in test cricket over a period of, say, three years? I can’t think of one - apparently Rory Burns has the best average out of the specialist batsmen who have come into the side in recent years and it’s just a shade over 30.

Part of the problem is that a week onThursday I think it is, the four day season starts and will be played through to the end of May when T20 and the Hundred take over for the time of year when you’re likely to see the best weather for cricket in terms of batting.

So, potential England test players have to get noticed in playing conditions which generally suit dibbly dobbly seamers rather than the sort of bowlers you’re likely to come across in test cricket. The conditions the England selectors see potential test players perform in do not suit batsmen, spin bowlers and genuine quick bowlers and it’s played with a ball which moves about too much - selection therefore is decided by a series of hunches and with crossed fingers.

English four day conditions do not favour the specialisms that mark true test players out and has resulted in a test batting line up that has only one proven batsman of test class in Root and another one in Stokes who is good enough to get into the side purely for his batting because the rest are so poor.

Really bowler friendly four day conditions has also had a big effect on that part of the game as well, as the assembly of journey men that represented them on this tour were really found out once Wood was injured. Mahmood’s got something and Robinson looks the best of the bunch of the 81/82 mph merchants when they can get him on the pitch, but they really need Archer back and they also need to have the courage to give Parkinson a try somewhere along the line because he may just be the spinner England desperately need.

I totally agree that the County season should change, pushing the games to the damp start and end of the season isn't conducive to developing test players. Although I do think there must be something else going wrong aswell, maybe just a bad generation of cricketers. Slightly facetious point, but the county game seems to have done wonders for the likes of Travis Head, Marnus Labuschagne and Kraigg Braithwaite amongst others .
As pointed out by a decent article I read today, a lot of the players that have done us real damage like boland etc aren't exactly express , and are the kind of green pitch bowlers that our pitches should prepare for.

Roots captaincy and leadership is poor in my opinion, I think we'd see an improvement from a new captain. At least if players see this season as a clean slate, and know that playing well can get international honours. We may see a slightly more confident England side, with in form players really looking to make a mark. Think it could be a good few years til the England side is good enough mind.

Personally I'd have chucked Darren Stevens in as captain and no.7. Give him 1 season and use it to try and bring the rest of the team on.

[poc]

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Is there an England qualified current player in county cricket who you think could come into the side and average 35 to 40 in test cricket over a period of, say, three years? I can’t think of one - apparently Rory Burns has the best average out of the specialist batsmen who have come into the side in recent years and it’s just a shade over 30.

Part of the problem is that a week onThursday I think it is, the four day season starts and will be played through to the end of May when T20 and the Hundred take over for the time of year when you’re likely to see the best weather for cricket in terms of batting.

So, potential England test players have to get noticed in playing conditions which generally suit dibbly dobbly seamers rather than the sort of bowlers you’re likely to come across in test cricket. The conditions the England selectors see potential test players perform in do not suit batsmen, spin bowlers and genuine quick bowlers and it’s played with a ball which moves about too much - selection therefore is decided by a series of hunches and with crossed fingers.

English four day conditions do not favour the specialisms that mark true test players out and has resulted in a test batting line up that has only one proven batsman of test class in Root and another one in Stokes who is good enough to get into the side purely for his batting because the rest are so poor.

Really bowler friendly four day conditions has also had a big effect on that part of the game as well, as the assembly of journey men that represented them on this tour were really found out once Wood was injured. Mahmood’s got something and Robinson looks the best of the bunch of the 81/82 mph merchants when they can get him on the pitch, but they really need Archer back and they also need to have the courage to give Parkinson a try somewhere along the line because he may just be the spinner England desperately need.

think thats where the problem lies the best part of the season is for bish bash cricket for tv purposes, i loved visiting the more out grounds during mid summer years ago

[the other bob wilson]

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I totally agree that the County season should change, pushing the games to the damp start and end of the season isn't conducive to developing test players. Although I do think there must be something else going wrong aswell, maybe just a bad generation of cricketers. Slightly facetious point, but the county game seems to have done wonders for the likes of Travis Head, Marnus Labuschagne and Kraigg Braithwaite amongst others .
As pointed out by a decent article I read today, a lot of the players that have done us real damage like boland etc aren't exactly express , and are the kind of green pitch bowlers that our pitches should prepare for.

Roots captaincy and leadership is poor in my opinion, I think we'd see an improvement from a new captain. At least if players see this season as a clean slate, and know that playing well can get international honours. We may see a slightly more confident England side, with in form players really looking to make a mark. Think it could be a good few years til the England side is good enough mind.

Personally I'd have chucked Darren Stevens in as captain and no.7. Give him 1 season and use it to try and bring the rest of the team on.

It seems that there’s a sense of drift under Root now and I’d agree it’s probably time for him to go. However, in the absence of a Brearley type figure, it’s a big decision to ditch a captain who’s one of the few automatic picks in the team. If you’re looking at the next captain in terms of someone who justifies their position, then Stokes has to be considered, but I wonder if he’d want the job. Broad and Anderson had a good West Indian tour in that the feeling that England can’t get by without them yet was confirmed, so I’d offer the job to Broad while wondering if the team may not be too happy with appointment.

Regarding bowlers like Borland, I think he was a superior version of the sort of seamer England players face, and get out to, too often in the county game - England made such bowlers look world beaters. While Boland was very good, he was bowling at players whose brains must be frazzled by now - this is a poor era for England batsman, but I don’t think that some of them are as bad as they’ve looked on the test stage.

[chrisp_1927]

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It seems that there’s a sense of drift under Root now and I’d agree it’s probably time for him to go. However, in the absence of a Brearley type figure, it’s a big decision to ditch a captain who’s one of the few automatic picks in the team. If you’re looking at the next captain in terms of someone who justifies their position, then Stokes has to be considered, but I wonder if he’d want the job. Broad and Anderson had a good West Indian tour in that the feeling that England can’t get by without them yet was confirmed, so I’d offer the job to Broad while wondering if the team may not be too happy with appointment.

Regarding bowlers like Borland, I think he was a superior version of the sort of seamer England players face, and get out to, too often in the county game - England made such bowlers look world beaters. While Boland was very good, he was bowling at players whose brains must be frazzled by now - this is a poor era for England batsman, but I don’t think that some of them are as bad as they’ve looked on the test stage.

I think that mental side you mention must be huge now. Especially for the batsmen , if the head is gone before they even walk out they've got no chance. I think Root needs to look at himself and quit the captaincy, he could easily slip back into the ranks and churn out the runs. By clinging on, he's going to end up creating a situation where he is pushed, then maybe that affects how he will feel about still playing for England.

[TWGL1]

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I totally agree that the County season should change, pushing the games to the damp start and end of the season isn't conducive to developing test players. Although I do think there must be something else going wrong aswell, maybe just a bad generation of cricketers. Slightly facetious point, but the county game seems to have done wonders for the likes of Travis Head, Marnus Labuschagne and Kraigg Braithwaite amongst others .
As pointed out by a decent article I read today, a lot of the players that have done us real damage like boland etc aren't exactly express , and are the kind of green pitch bowlers that our pitches should prepare for.

Roots captaincy and leadership is poor in my opinion, I think we'd see an improvement from a new captain. At least if players see this season as a clean slate, and know that playing well can get international honours. We may see a slightly more confident England side, with in form players really looking to make a mark. Think it could be a good few years til the England side is good enough mind.

Personally I'd have chucked Darren Stevens in as captain and no.7. Give him 1 season and use it to try and bring the rest of the team on.

I think it would improve the game if they changed the Dukes ball to the Kookaburra at least until mid summer ?

[the other bob wilson]

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I think it would improve the game if they changed the Dukes ball to the Kookaburra at least until mid summer ?

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[Hilts]

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I think we should be playing more county cricket in the summer.

However I agree using the Kookaburra early season should be something that is seriously looked at.