Non-white City fans

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I think the thrust of the opening question was valid and I think that some posters were a tad harsh about the exact wording. All credit to adz for enlightening us regarding his personal and relevant experience regarding this matter and which has crossed my mind previously.

Yeah I think it’s relevant too, particularly as our stadium borders the most ethnically diverse areas of the city in grangetown and riverside, possibly Canton too. The club has never done much to lure the locals in. It would rather run buses from the valleys for some bizarre reason where we already have pretty decent support. Maybe it’s more to do with the cost of tickets? Allied to the fact that the % of the population of the city who actually follow us is shockingly low

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The UK average is 86% white, Cardiff is 84% it has an average level of diversity.

It isn’t “very diverse” in any stretch of the imagination

White British is 80 percent

It's got 16 percent of its population from a non white background

That's very diverse

In fact unlike cities like Birmingham or Bradford whose ethnic minority populations are dominated by one of two racial groups , Cardiff has a mix of ethnic minority population from across the racial and cultural background . In many schools in Cardiff there are dozens and dozens of different languages being spoken .

That's very diverse . In fact the very definition of it .

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The UK average is 86% white, Cardiff is 84% it has an average level of diversity.

It isn’t “very diverse” in any stretch of the imagination

The suburbs next to the ground are though….

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Yeah I think it’s relevant too, particularly as our stadium borders the most ethnically diverse areas of the city in grangetown and riverside, possibly Canton too. The club has never done much to lure the locals in. It would rather run buses from the valleys for some bizarre reason where we already have pretty decent support. Maybe it’s more to do with the cost of tickets? Allied to the fact that the % of the population of the city who actually follow us is shockingly low

The trust tried

The club wasn't really interested


CCFC has never been any good at this sort of thing

It's not a community club really

[AfricanBluebird]

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This is an important thread.

As someone who comes from a mixed family with both Ugandans and Nigerians in my family, I can only share 'our' experiences. When I used take my son when he was a kid, I was quite consious that often he and my brother in law were two of a minority of black people attending games.

Now my son is in his kid twenties and lives a few doors down from the ground, he goes to games with his mates as I spend most of my time in Uganda and India. He has never experienced any racism at city and attends games regularly.

He plays for a football team in Grangetown which is almost exclusively black or Asian. He often asks his teammates to go along with him but there is still some resistance due to some perceived ideas that they wouldn't be welcome. Also these are working class boys who can't afford tickets. However, they all look out for and support city.

I do think the club could do a better job of engaging with minorities and encouraging them to attend games. My city, my shirt is a wonderful idea and the club scored an on goal with not engaging with that.

Cardiff has growing diversity and on a purely economic basis the club needs to tap into sections of our communities who love football so they feel more welcome at city.

On a positive note the CCFC foundation actually does a tremendous job I'm communities, many black and Asian... But the club needs to do more.

[Cleve van Leef]

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Is this making a difference?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60609835

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Is this making a difference?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60609835

I think when Cardiff City Football Club stated it wasn't supporting this fantastic artwork because it might lead to ....reverse racism ....then I think that sums up the mindset that is prevalent . If the top cheeses at CCFC have this pathetic attitude then its all a waste of time really

[The Bloop]

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I think it's a generational thing. Asians and Afro-Carribean immigrants were met with shocking racism when they decided to settle in the UK in the 50's and 60's. Their children suffered in school and racism was very visible on the streets and also the terraces. Why would they choose to attend football matches and expose themselves to abuse? The next generation came along in the 80's and 90's so why would a parent expose their child to potentially the same abuse they saw or experienced- they just wouldn't. Sky TV and the Premier League appear in the early 90's and instead of attending matches they sit down and decide who to support by watching TV.
30 years on I think its getting better, but still a way to go.

[blue matt]

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I think it's a generational thing. Asians and Afro-Carribean immigrants were met with shocking racism when they decided to settle in the UK in the 50's and 60's. Their children suffered in school and racism was very visible on the streets and also the terraces. Why would they choose to attend football matches and expose themselves to abuse? The next generation came along in the 80's and 90's so why would a parent expose their child to potentially the same abuse they saw or experienced- they just wouldn't. Sky TV and the Premier League appear in the early 90's and instead of attending matches they sit down and decide who to support by watching TV.
30 years on I think its getting better, but still a way to go.

and we are 30 years on, football has mostly become a pretty sterile event these days, the old days have long gone, them kids of the 90's have children / grand children, yes we still get the odd " unacceptable chant or shout, but isn't that a reflection on every day life ? ? ? football is certainly not the edgey place it used to be

[Swiss Peter]

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I've been to lots of grounds over the years and wondered why most clubs do not reflect the ethnicity of their surroundings. The only exception I can think of is Arsenal.

[alfie]

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I am also of mixed race and there has been a vast improvement from when i started watching city in the late sixties. Then you could count on one hand the non whites down there but it has slowly improved over the years. Maybe its because there are more non whites actually playing the game or just because times have changed. I have never really had any racism thrown at me following the city but i am speaking for myself. As i said,it has greatly improved over the years and long may it continue and maybe then we will see people of the Asian minority and other races.

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I've been to lots of grounds over the years and wondered why most clubs do not reflect the ethnicity of their surroundings. The only exception I can think of is Arsenal.

Possibly Spurs

Certainly not Birmingham , Leeds

[blue matt]

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I am also of mixed race and there has been a vast improvement from when i started watching city in the late sixties. Then you could count on one hand the non whites down there but it has slowly improved over the years. Maybe its because there are more non whites actually playing the game or just because times have changed. I have never really had any racism thrown at me following the city but i am speaking for myself. As i said,it has greatly improved over the years and long may it continue and maybe then we will see people of the Asian minority and other races.

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To be fair most racists are total cowards and saying something to someone like alfie wouldn't be a very wise move

[Kitman]

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White British is 80 percent

It's got 16 percent of its population from a non white background

That's very diverse

In fact unlike cities like Birmingham or Bradford whose ethnic minority populations are dominated by one of two racial groups , Cardiff has a mix of ethnic minority population from across the racial and cultural background . In many schools in Cardiff there are dozens and dozens of different languages being spoken .

That's very diverse . In fact the very definition of it .

White British average for UK is also 81%

It’s a typical British city with an average level of diversity - no more and no less. Similar to Bristol, Leeds, Sheffield etc

Don’t get me wrong Cardiff has a good level of diversity (especially for Wales - jeez) but nothing like as deep rooted as Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham, Leicester, Reading, London which have around 60% and you’d class as “very diverse” plus in those cities ethnicity is more spread throughout the city and not generally localised in a few neighbourhoods which bump up the stats

Anyway I’ve just Google “white British” far too much in the last few minutes, I’m going to stop before I get targeted by a load of far right materials across my social media