Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

[2b2bdoo]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Depends on his wage I guess, I'm not bothered either way but he's nothing more than a squad player.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Which of those 5 goals were his fault again?

Jonny Williams was signed on a 6 month contract on a cheap deal. He's been a squad player this year and will step up next year if we extend.

Josh Murphy gets paid buckets more but was outscored by Mark Harris in 17 fewer games. Let's see if Jonny can provide more or less than 2 goals and 5 assists in 34 games next year, eh?

Semantics. Most of Murphys appearances were as sub.

[tforturton]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Jonny Williams made his Championship debut for Crystal Palace in August 2011. Since then, he's started a grand total of just 91 Premier League and Football League matches.

This is a concern. Why would McCarthy sign such an injury prone player, for such an important position?

[Shrewsbury Blue]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Sadly I have to agree with this, very busy but no end product. Like a poor mans Harry Arter

Have to agree. If MM has Jonny Williams here next season it will be evidence he doesn't know what he is doing. We signed him from a mid table league one side where he wasn't a regular and most of their fans weren't bothered about him leaving as they thought it didn't effect their chances of making the playoffs. Mid table league one side is his level.

[City123]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Well what a waste of time that was.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Well what a waste of time that was.

Can only assume they’ve got someone lined up, or Colwill is going to get a real run at it next season (it’s probably both)

[surge]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Jonny Williams made his Championship debut for Crystal Palace in August 2011. Since then, he's started a grand total of just 91 Premier League and Football League matches.

To put that figure into perspective, Joe Ralls is three days younger than Williams. He made his Championship debut for Cardiff City in October 2011. Since then, he's started 253 Premier League and Football League matches.

It is possible for a player to go through injuries early in their career and then not experience that later on in their career. My hope was that Jonny Williams was one of those and I think it could still be the case.

We're talking about a club that wants to focus on youth as a part of cost cutting. My believe is that Jonny is exactly the sort of person you want around the dressing room for that scenario and is capable of offering 2 goals and 5 assists in 34 Championship games which makes him more productive than Josh Murphy was for us this past year.

It's possible that his replacement will be older and more productive but that will get in the way of the younger players coming through and will probably cost the club more in wages (short-term) and development of these players (long-term).

[Shrewsbury Blue]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Which of those 5 goals were his fault again?

Jonny Williams was signed on a 6 month contract on a cheap deal. He's been a squad player this year and will step up next year if we extend.

Josh Murphy gets paid buckets more but was outscored by Mark Harris in 17 fewer games. Let's see if Jonny can provide more or less than 2 goals and 5 assists in 34 games next year, eh?

Can you actually think someone who was signed on a six month contract and only played 174 minutes in that time most of it in a match we lost 5-0 was a good signing?

[light up the darkness]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Swansea signed Conor Hourihane on loan in this transfer window. Just saying.

Thank fk the jacks signed him up (20/20 hindsight vision )

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Thank fk the jacks signed him up (20/20 hindsight vision )

Hourihane played pretty well for them until he injured his hamstring against us.

[surge]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

Can you actually think someone who was signed on a six month contract and only played 174 minutes in that time most of it in a match we lost 5-0 was a good signing?

I think the manager used his squad poorly which cost us a point against Watford and two points against Stoke which killed any play-off chase. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes but arguably we'd have been better off if Jonny played more than 174 minutes.

The player was signed with an option to extend. I feel what he could do for us over next two years means he's worth extending rather than what he did do for us over 6 months.

[Rjk]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

I think the manager used his squad poorly which cost us a point against Watford and two points against Stoke which killed any play-off chase. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes but arguably we'd have been better off if Jonny played more than 174 minutes.

The player was signed with an option to extend. I feel what he could do for us over next two years means he's worth extending rather than what he did do for us over 6 months.

depends who we replace him with - there could be some interesting deals done this transfer window - especially loan deals

[FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

I'd argue that when he was signed in January, he was seen as cheap cover/rotation for Harry Wilson in the 10 position, and that he'd do a similar role next season for whoever Wilson's replacement will be.

Colwill will now likely be that player (assuming of course he signs a replacement for Wilson), which was unforeseen at the time. If he'd performed poorly in the 3 games at the end of the season, and Mick felt he wasn't ready, Jonny maybe would have had another year.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

I'd argue that when he was signed in January, he was seen as cheap cover/rotation for Harry Wilson in the 10 position, and that he'd do a similar role next season for whoever Wilson's replacement will be.

Colwill will now likely be that player (assuming of course he signs a replacement for Wilson), which was unforeseen at the time. If he'd performed poorly in the 3 games at the end of the season, and Mick felt he wasn't ready, Jonny maybe would have had another year.

Didn’t McCarthy say something to the effect that we didn’t need to find a replacement for Wilson next season because he’d already plugged that hole with Williams? Unfortunately after the honeymoon period where I ate my words on McCarthy’s appointment it now feels like we’ve got 2 more years of attrition to deal with 🙁

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Re: Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

I checked… he did 🤦🏻

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mick-mccarthy-names-perfect-replacement-20519114.amp