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[the other bob wilson]

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I’m sure a lot of clubs have also done a lot worse than us since then as well.

If you’re old enough to remember when the news first broke that a billionaire (as he was then) was going to be our owner, remember how you felt and how you felt on Saturday at the final whistle. I always say Vincent Tan’s time in charge has been a huge opportunity wasted, but, watching us lately, it’s worse than that - he’s made us far worse on the pitch and the only improvement off it is that we’re not being taken to court by the tax man.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We are definitely a bigger club than Brentford and we are definitely not a bigger club than Brighton

We can pull big gates when doing well or when it's attractive opposition

But that applies to Bristol City , Pompey , Bolton and a whole host of regional football teams

People can go on about our huge potential fan base but until we are commanding gates of 30000 on a regular basis its all dreamland talk

[2b2bdoo]

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If you’re old enough to remember when the news first broke that a billionaire (as he was then) was going to be our owner, remember how you felt and how you felt on Saturday at the final whistle. I always say Vincent Tan’s time in charge has been a huge opportunity wasted, but, watching us lately, it’s worse than that - he’s made us far worse on the pitch and the only improvement off it is that we’re not being taken to court by the tax man.

I was referring to Gabbidons tweet about the rise from Division 3 so that covers Sam, Ridsdale and Tan. Point being Brighton shown how it should be done but I think most clubs would look at them and think I wish we did that. But at the same time I’m sure (without looking) we have also done better than those other clubs in division 3 at the time.

With regards to how I felt when Tan took over, at the time I just hoped he could keep us afloat and we couldn’t have a load of companies trying to liquidate us. It goes without saying the lack of planning in particular after the relegations is been shocking.

[the other bob wilson]

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I was referring to Gabbidons tweet about the rise from Division 3 so that covers Sam, Ridsdale and Tan. Point being Brighton shown how it should be done but I think most clubs would look at them and think I wish we did that. But at the same time I’m sure (without looking) we have also done better than those other clubs in division 3 at the time.

With regards to how I felt when Tan took over, at the time I just hoped he could keep us afloat and we couldn’t have a load of companies trying to liquidate us. It goes without saying the lack of planning in particular after the relegations is been shocking.

So we should do better than the other clubs in Division 3 - we shouldn’t have got in that division in the first place. To be more accurate, we shouldn’t be in the third tier too often and we should return to our natural level (top half of the second tier in my opinion) quickly. It’s criminal that we were lurching between the third and fourth tier for eighteen years between 1985 and 2003. For a club of our size to get relegated to the lower divisions it means that we’ve either been very badly managed financially or we’ve overreached ourselves - we’re closer to being relegated to the lower divisions now than we’ve been at anytime since 2000 and it’s not because we’ve overreached ourselves.

[The Hooded Claw]

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The only flaw in the Brighton comparison is that they’ve incurred massive debt in recent years, but I do envy how well these other clubs are run.
The question about how good an owner Vincent Tan has been is twofold:
1. Has he financially backed managers across his tenure? I think it’s fair to say that’s a Yes.
2. Has the club been well run, with a clear philosophy and strategy, with good managerial appointments? No.

I’m some ways we’re the opposite of Swansea.

[dml1954]

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the main difference is they've identified a long term strategy in how to improve, and trusted their process, even when it wasn't working at times.

Brentford were amongst the smallest clubs in the championship in terms of income and wage bill etc, but they gradually built up their squad to be amongst the best through their recruitment. when they were promoted they had a long term strategy that would take account of them being relegated up to 2 times in the first 5 years, and ensure that they were stronger than when they had been promoted if it happens, so they have a. good chance of going straight back up.

Brighton as well, under potter I think had a really challenging season, where they were generating really good stats (xG etc) but not getting any of the breaks and were in real relegation trouble, but they didn't do the knee jerk thing and change the manager, they stuck with him and it paid off.

Agree with this. I just wish that some of our so called fans would read it and take notice. All they have done since we changed our playing style this season was to moan about it and totally fail to recognise that with 17 new players and a new style, it was always going to take years, not weeks or months, for us to reap the benefits. Plus all they have done since Morison and then Hudson took over was demand for them to be sacked (mostly because they didn't want them here from the outset) - a very short sighted attitude, which has been discredited and doomed to failure many times in the past at much bigger clubs than us. Morison and Hudson were young, British, forward thinking coaches who deserved a chance and time to deliver - fat chance of that happening here though.

[the other bob wilson]

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Agree with this. I just wish that some of our so called fans would read it and take notice. All they have done since we changed our playing style this season was to moan about it and totally fail to recognise that with 17 new players and a new style, it was always going to take years, not weeks or months, for us to reap the benefits. Plus all they have done since Morison and then Hudson took over was demand for them to be sacked (mostly because they didn't want them here from the outset) - a very short sighted attitude, which has been discredited and doomed to failure many times in the past at much bigger clubs than us. Morison and Hudson were young, British, forward thinking coaches who deserved a chance and time to deliver - fat chance of that happening here though.

But Morison and Hudson have been sacked, so are you really saying that Vincent Tan, the man who sacked them, was guilty of a very short sighted attitude which has been discredited and doomed to failure?

[the other bob wilson]

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The only flaw in the Brighton comparison is that they’ve incurred massive debt in recent years, but I do envy how well these other clubs are run.
The question about how good an owner Vincent Tan has been is twofold:
1. Has he financially backed managers across his tenure? I think it’s fair to say that’s a Yes.
2. Has the club been well run, with a clear philosophy and strategy, with good managerial appointments? No.

I’m some ways we’re the opposite of Swansea.

Did you see Brighton playing Liverpooloff the park this weekend? What do you think the transfer value of their, mostly young, team is? Brighton might have a huge debt, but they’ve got on pitch assets which probably cover it with a fair bit left over.

I have a degree of sympathy for Vincent Tan because, you’re right, he’s spent enough to expect a better outcome from his dozen or so years with us, but he’s overseen the conditions that have more or less guaranteed that his spending has not been rewarded as it should.

There has been no planning, either footballing or financial to the vast majority of our recruitment under Vincent Tan. Teams like Brentford and Brighton, as well as plenty of others, recruit people who will supply that degree of recruitment planning - Cardiff have preferred to stick with their “transfer committee” and everyone who holds the club close to their heart are suffering now because of it.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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But Morison and Hudson have been sacked, so are you really saying that Vincent Tan, the man who sacked them, was guilty of a very short sighted attitude which has been discredited and doomed to failure?

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[NYCBlue]

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Agree with this. I just wish that some of our so called fans would read it and take notice. All they have done since we changed our playing style this season was to moan about it and totally fail to recognise that with 17 new players and a new style, it was always going to take years, not weeks or months, for us to reap the benefits. Plus all they have done since Morison and then Hudson took over was demand for them to be sacked (mostly because they didn't want them here from the outset) - a very short sighted attitude, which has been discredited and doomed to failure many times in the past at much bigger clubs than us. Morison and Hudson were young, British, forward thinking coaches who deserved a chance and time to deliver - fat chance of that happening here though.

You're blaming the fans for the decisions that the board and owner made? Jesus. Remember when we played in red? Was that the fans' fault too?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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You're blaming the fans for the decisions that the board and owner made? Jesus. Remember when we played in red? Was that the fans' fault too?

Incredibly, I think if we took blue and league two back in 2012 or whenever it was, I think we’d in a better position than where we are now

[splott parker]

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Incredibly, I think if we took blue and league two back in 2012 or whenever it was, I think we’d in a better position than where we are now

You could be right, we had a bit of a militant fan base with the history of the club at heart. A prospective buyer may have looked at that and thought that with such fans on board the club would have been a decent punt. All hindsight though.

[The Hooded Claw]

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Did you see Brighton playing Liverpooloff the park this weekend? What do you think the transfer value of their, mostly young, team is? Brighton might have a huge debt, but they’ve got on pitch assets which probably cover it with a fair bit left over.

I have a degree of sympathy for Vincent Tan because, you’re right, he’s spent enough to expect a better outcome from his dozen or so years with us, but he’s overseen the conditions that have more or less guaranteed that his spending has not been rewarded as it should.

There has been no planning, either footballing or financial to the vast majority of our recruitment under Vincent Tan. Teams like Brentford and Brighton, as well as plenty of others, recruit people who will supply that degree of recruitment planning - Cardiff have preferred to stick with their “transfer committee” and everyone who holds the club close to their heart are suffering now because of it.

Agreed. I just mean that in order to get there, they’ve racked up huge debt, which is risky, but seems to be paying off - at present.

The key thing is the plan.
Where is ours? Vincent Tan said that of course we have one. No one seems to have seen it, though!

[Rjk]

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Incredibly, I think if we took blue and league two back in 2012 or whenever it was, I think we’d in a better position than where we are now

who knows, we might have been just as incompetently run in the lower leagues

[Organ Morgan.]

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How England’s top four divisions look based on all-time average attendance - https://fanbanter.co.uk/how-englands...ge-attendance/

Using historic attendances as a guide, the club (33) is ahead of Brighton (39) and Brentford (50).

I was unable to think of another capital city club in Western Europe which has just one professional football club. Both Hammam and Vinnie could see the potential.

Perhaps a better idea than protesting Tan's ownership, the Supporters Trust and others would do better identifying mega wealthy individuals and/or hedge funds to alert them of what could and should become a permanent presence in England's top tier with sufficient investment and planning.