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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No one is turning to the guardian on this topic

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What topic? Robert Jenrick?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've recognized the negatives of unsustainable immigration for years Sludge. Sensible people saw it coming. I don't argue a 2019-2024 Tory position for it any more than I argue a smug home owning liberal who isn't impacted by it position.

Its unsustainable as fck. We are at the point now where there is almost no debate about it.

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So you who have been waving your arms about in a listen to me pseudo academic prose are right and those who want a sensible , managed approach to immigration are wrong

Ok then 😆

There are feckin millions of home owners in this country who are fortunate to be in that position but have a social conscience and to think they , me are all pansy eating liberals is complete nonsense

Its the government YOU have supported most of your tory boy life that sold council houses , that failed to replace those sold and that from 2010 to 2024 increased immigration massively ....despite every year saying they would cut it .....that are to blame .....its not our fault ( self righteous liberals according to you ) who by arguing for sensible and realistic immigration have stood back

Its YOUR shower of clowns

You voted brexit , voted Boris who massively increased immigration

Now its toys out of the pram .....but at least now you can bounce along to Reform

I have posted up sensible plans regarding immigration ....and referred you back to them ...as you had either ignored them or not got any answers

So get on with it

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Again, what are you jibbering on about now?

I asked you for some realistic solutions about 48 hours ago. I haven't heard anything. I guess you are alright, jack?

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Twice now yesterday , and again this morning

You have provided nothing except to say its the fault of liberal home owning types

Thou doth protest too much my lord ....

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No one is turning to the guardian on this topic

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It sounds like you need a more varied media diet.

“My policy always has been that the truth, such as it exists as a singular truth anyway, lies somewhere between the Mail and the Guardian. You need to read both”.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Don't get in a strop just because you were stopped in your tracks

Loads of footage of protestors hurling racist abuse

The idea of turning back the boats is against maritime law

Foreign aid is used to stop migration at source ....it’s mad , as you say , to stop it

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Here’s an idea. All the protests outside the hotels, and counter protests, and the cost of policing them, could be avoided, if all the counter protesters took in one illegal immigrant each to their homes, and gave them a bed, or a sofa to kip on and fed them till their claim can be processed,

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

HereÂ’s an idea. All the protests outside the hotels, and counter protests, and the cost of policing them, could be avoided, if all the counter protesters took in one illegal immigrant each to their homes, and gave them a bed, or a sofa to kip on and fed them till their claim can be processed,

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You have had plenty of time and thats just nonsense

How about all you right wingers house all the homeless for say 6 months ?

You are going to have to come up with something better than that

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You have had plenty of time and thats just nonsense

How about all you right wingers house all the homeless for say 6 months ?

You are going to have to come up with something better than that

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Why would I do that! I’m not wanting illegal immigrants here.
What’s wrong with those who want them here taking them in?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why would I do that! IÂ’m not wanting illegal immigrants here.
WhatÂ’s wrong with those who want them here taking them in?

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You sound like farage

The usual talk from that lot is ....what about our own ? ....our soldiers , our homeless etc etc

So I thats the case and you suggest WE take in these immigrants then you lot take in the homeless ?

Pretty stupid arguement really thinking the immigrants are the cause of all our problems but thats you lot to a tee

Now try again with some proper policies , you have had long enough

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You sound like farage

The usual talk from that lot is ....what about our own ? ....our soldiers , our homeless etc etc

So I thats the case and you suggest WE take in these immigrants then you lot take in the homeless ?

Pretty stupid arguement really thinking the immigrants are the cause of all our problems but thats you lot to a tee

Now try again with some proper policies , you have had long enough

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Aww Sludgie. You are like a broken record, and have been on here for yrs.
“You lot” , “right wing” 😂, you haven’t got a clue. I’m a working class lad from Ely, who hasn’t voted Tory in my life. Labour either for yrs.
The lot of them are absolutely useless.!
I dipped my toe into this thread just to give you a chance to type more continuous drivel, and have a laugh. Goes to show how a few clicks can send a blind fool like you into overdrive.
This really is the loony section of the MB.
Keep off the mushrooms, get yourself a job, contribute to the country, and stay off here for a while. That’s my advice to you sonny.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Aww Sludgie. You are like a broken record, and have been on here for yrs.
“You lot” , “right wing” 😂, you havenÂ’t got a clue. IÂ’m a working class lad from Ely, who hasnÂ’t voted Tory in my life. Labour either for yrs.
The lot of them are absolutely useless.!
I dipped my toe into this thread just to give you a chance to type more continuous drivel, and have a laugh. Goes to show how a few clicks can send a blind fool like you into overdrive.
This really is the loony section of the MB.
Keep off the mushrooms, get yourself a job, contribute to the country, and stay off here for a while. ThatÂ’s my advice to you sonny.

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Well thats all very romantic but you have been asked several times to provide sensible ideas to deal with immigration

You dipped into this thread and you have just typed complete nonsense which is what you seem to be accusing others of

I dont care where you are from , your background as we have had that before , I couldnt care less , I was in school in Ely for a few years .....give me a medal 🏅

I have helped the homeless , veterans , the disadvantaged in paid and voluntary employment over 30 years on and off ....working on young person's housing and advice projects , charities providing welfare advice to those in need .....maybe you should try contributing to society too you silly old fruitcake

Now then.....today labour ...who are crap ..have announced attempts to speed up the asylum appeals process and get people who shouldn't be here out of the country , quicker

I would imagine that fits well with you but if it doesnt instead of your sanctimonious I am working class cobblers why dont you.....for tge fourth time of asking ....come up with some ideas .......

You sound like an echo chamber shouting " stop the boats " .....get on with it , try and be constructive instead of coming over like a poundshop CJ off Reggie Perrin

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well thats all very romantic but you have been asked several times to provide sensible ideas to deal with immigration

You dipped into this thread and you have just typed complete nonsense which is what you seem to be accusing others of

I dont care where you are from , your background as we have had that before , I couldnt care less , I was in school in Ely for a few years .....give me a medal 🏅

I have helped the homeless , veterans , the disadvantaged in paid and voluntary employment over 30 years on and off ....working on young person's housing and advice projects , charities providing welfare advice to those in need .....maybe you should try contributing to society too you silly old fruitcake

Now then.....today labour ...who are crap ..have announced attempts to speed up the asylum appeals process and get people who shouldn't be here out of the country , quicker

I would imagine that fits well with you but if it doesnt instead of your sanctimonious I am working class cobblers why dont you.....for tge fourth time of asking ....come up with some ideas .......

You sound like an echo chamber shouting " stop the boats " .....get on with it , try and be constructive instead of coming over like a poundshop CJ off Reggie Perrin

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Ya gonna blow a gasket soon. Just chill out.
If voting made a difference they wouldn’t let us do it 👍

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why would I do that! I’m not wanting illegal immigrants here.
What’s wrong with those who want them here taking them in?

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Why dont you pay them to leave then?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Ya gonna blow a gasket soon. Just chill out.
If voting made a difference they wouldnÂ’t let us do it 👍

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You still havnt answered the question as to what can be done

Never mind Jenrick you said

I have put forward what labour who we know are struggling intend doing

But you have just said stop the boats !

Thats about it

I was going to leave it here but you have got arsey again on another tgread , probably because you have fallen at the first fence on here

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Why dont you pay them to leave then?

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If farage gets in and passes this daft mass deportation bill hes going to HAVE to pay for it

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

200 is 200 too many.
There are 900,000 young people out of work in the UK. There are hundreds of thousands of young working Brits who can’t afford to buy their own homes or rented accommodation.
Public services are being slashed, jails are getting over crowded, NHS is under pressure, not enough police on the streets, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer,
Consecutive governments are borrowing billions of pounds.We are sending millions of pounds in foreign aid,
If ordinary people ran their homes and businesses like consecutive governments run the UK, they’d be homeless and penniless in weeks.
Why are we as a country, who can’t even look after our own residents properly, taking in migrants in their thousands, on a daily basis ?
Who is paying for their accommodation, food, clothes, health care etc ?

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Maybe the "Brits" should have thought of all that when they were happy invading, pillaging, slaving and whoring their way across a third of the planet.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I'm sure that is true - as it is for the Tory party as a whole (even with Badenock refusing to mimic Reform, relying instead on old fashioned right wing Toryism), and as it is for the Labour Party who are chasing Reform but losing 4x as many votes to their left as they have to their right!

It feels as if the UK is catching up with much of continental Europe - seeing the traditional big parties of the centre left and the right implode (partly self-inflicted, partly due to pressure from outside) and new (often but not always) populist parties of the right and left replacing them - with some new centrist creation (like Macron's lot) emerging at the same time.

It is getting more volatile all the time.

Traditional Labour and Tory voters switching direct to Reform. Tories disappearing electorally and in membership across parts of their heartlands. Lib Dems and Greens hoovering up votes, seats and members from left and right. If the polls are correct the new Corbyn/Sultana party will attract significant numbers of Reform voters who formerly backed Labour.

The SNP and PC have got over their wobbles and will probably be major players in any future parliament. The slow move towards the nationalist and republican left in Northern Ireland could continue despite recent reactionary incidents (and there too the traditional so-called moderate nationalists and unionists have been supplanted).

The insurgent parties have joined the Lib Dems in arguing for PR. I wouldn't be surprised to see a coalition government under PR inside 10 years.

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Which polls show significant movement from reform to the Corbyn/Sultana party Jon?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

As for solutions, it's increasingly clear we need a rapid reworking of human rights laws which simply were not made for this era. You can't have anyone from a country with problems coming into a country with its own (but far less extreme) problems. We simply cannot cope and it's plainly causing very significant social issues. It's also immoral as hell to reward the richest and fittest who can arrive at the cost of others far more needy.

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1. Which human rights laws would you like to delete?
2. Isn't it rather disingenuous for a country that invaded scores of others, often leaving behind complete social and political chaos (cf. Palestine, Afghanistan, South Africa ...) after empire had ended, to complain about people from those very same countries now wanting to come to what they see as the "mother" land?

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Which polls show significant movement from reform to the Corbyn/Sultana party Jon?

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They don't show that as far as I know.

I am extrapolating from the polls that show a big drop in support by younger voters for Reform at the same time as polls show very high support for Your Party from the same age group.

I am also looking at the polls that show very high levels of support from Reform voters (especially ex Red Wall) for a fully-funded public NHS, a wealth tax, and nationalisation of basic services and utilities - all of which sit better in the Corbyn-Sultana pitch than any other party (including the Greens), although there are still some doubts about ability to deliver (though that is an even bigger problem for Reform).

I am also looking at the very recent polling that shows Reform voters prefer Corbyn (and Sultana) by a distance to Starmer and his circle.

That is why I believe there is evidence that ex-Labour voters who recently backed Reform - not the UKIP core vote - will be attracted to the new party. There is a strand of social conservatism amongst the current Independent group in Parliament (who are likely to join the new party), but the main issue will be on immigration and how that argument plays out, and whether or not it is more important for voters (including Reform voters) than cost of living, public services, public control, wealth taxes and the other key elements of the new party's pitch.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

So you who have been waving your arms about in a listen to me pseudo academic prose are right and those who want a sensible , managed approach to immigration are wrong

Ok then 😆

There are feckin millions of home owners in this country who are fortunate to be in that position but have a social conscience and to think they , me are all pansy eating liberals is complete nonsense

Its the government YOU have supported most of your tory boy life that sold council houses , that failed to replace those sold and that from 2010 to 2024 increased immigration massively ....despite every year saying they would cut it .....that are to blame .....its not our fault ( self righteous liberals according to you ) who by arguing for sensible and realistic immigration have stood back

Its YOUR shower of clowns

You voted brexit , voted Boris who massively increased immigration

Now its toys out of the pram .....but at least now you can bounce along to Reform

I have posted up sensible plans regarding immigration ....and referred you back to them ...as you had either ignored them or not got any answers

So get on with it

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Whilst you are being so virtuos again!!!
Angela Rayner has purchased a third property. She recently acquired a seaside apartment in Hove, on England’s south coast, for over £700,000. This adds to her existing residences:

A home in her Ashton-under-Lyne constituency (bought in 2016 for around £375,000, now valued at about £650,000), and

A grace-and-favour ministerial flat in Admiralty House, Westminster.

Would you like to explain how someone on an MP's salary has managed to accumulate two houses, forget the third as its grace-and-favour :hehe: and considering her previous employments were care worker & union official.
Jesus managed to feed 5000 from five loaves of bread and two fish., but this miracle is nowhere near the miracle that miss Raynor has managed to pull off!! labours champagne socialism in full view and they do not give a fck who sees it.

Would you like to ask her to make available two of her residences to others in need ?

Your persistent berating of others when you voted for this crap is hypocrisy at its finest, its time you took a rest to evaluate what your party is doing to the UK and start issuing some apologies. I would suggest you start with James who has ripped you a new arsehole time after time on this MB with reasoned thought out answers only for you to have one response, he's done you like a kipper SONNY. James has the patience of a saint trying to reason with you I'll just call you a cash in hand FRAUD, your reputation in the trade precedes you.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Whilst you are being so virtuos again!!!
Angela Rayner has purchased a third property. She recently acquired a seaside apartment in Hove, on England’s south coast, for over £700,000. This adds to her existing residences:

A home in her Ashton-under-Lyne constituency (bought in 2016 for around £375,000, now valued at about £650,000), and

A grace-and-favour ministerial flat in Admiralty House, Westminster.

Would you like to explain how someone on an MP's salary has managed to accumulate two houses, forget the third as its grace-and-favour :hehe: and considering her previous employments were care worker & union official.
Jesus managed to feed 5000 from five loaves of bread and two fish., but this miracle is nowhere near the miracle that miss Raynor has managed to pull off!! labours champagne socialism in full view and they do not give a fck who sees it.

Would you like to ask her to make available two of her residences to others in need ?

Your persistent berating of others when you voted for this crap is hypocrisy at its finest, its time you took a rest to evaluate what your party is doing to the UK and start issuing some apologies. I would suggest you start with James who has ripped you a new arsehole time after time on this MB with reasoned thought out answers only for you to have one response, he's done you like a kipper SONNY. James has the patience of a saint trying to reason with you I'll just call you a cash in hand FRAUD, your reputation in the trade precedes you.

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just reading she's worth over 4.5 million quid

If thats true would that wealth include her 3 houses ?

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just reading she's worth over 4.5 million quid

If thats true would that wealth include her 3 houses ?

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I have also just read that on various X and reddit pages. Maybe the £4.7m 'wealth' figure includes declared donations to run her office (standard for senior politicians) or maybe it is just made up crap. There is no evidence for significant personal wealth that I can see. The story about her buying a second/third home in London may be true (if she is doing the buying) but the alleged cost has jumped up £100k in 24 hours. None of the figures are evidenced.

She doesn't have major investments, she doesn't do paid work outside Parliament, she may be getting brown envelopes from donors or lobbyists - but no one has given any evidence I can see.

This piece looks most reasonable:

https://www.tuko.co.ke/facts-lifehac...what-net-worth

Always fair to be on the look out for grifters and hypocrites, but Angela Raynor seems to attract a particular type of venom that is less to do with her views or actions as a senior politician, and more to do with her sex and her background.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Whilst you are being so virtuos again!!!
Angela Rayner has purchased a third property. She recently acquired a seaside apartment in Hove, on England’s south coast, for over £700,000. This adds to her existing residences:

A home in her Ashton-under-Lyne constituency (bought in 2016 for around £375,000, now valued at about £650,000), and

A grace-and-favour ministerial flat in Admiralty House, Westminster.

Would you like to explain how someone on an MP's salary has managed to accumulate two houses, forget the third as its grace-and-favour :hehe: and considering her previous employments were care worker & union official.
Jesus managed to feed 5000 from five loaves of bread and two fish., but this miracle is nowhere near the miracle that miss Raynor has managed to pull off!! labours champagne socialism in full view and they do not give a fck who sees it.

Would you like to ask her to make available two of her residences to others in need ?

Your persistent berating of others when you voted for this crap is hypocrisy at its finest, its time you took a rest to evaluate what your party is doing to the UK and start issuing some apologies. I would suggest you start with James who has ripped you a new arsehole time after time on this MB with reasoned thought out answers only for you to have one response, he's done you like a kipper SONNY. James has the patience of a saint trying to reason with you I'll just call you a cash in hand FRAUD, your reputation in the trade precedes you.

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I cant stand the hypocrisy of rayner , look over my posts you silly sod

James is like you , hes a tory boy too whereas you are working class tory which is even worse, I am alright Jack.....no wonder you agree with all his nonsense....

I wouldn't have charged you for any work, I would have done it because I felt sorry for you

But if I had , it would have been cheque

No flies on me mr gammon

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I have also just read that on various X and reddit pages. Maybe the £4.7m 'wealth' figure includes declared donations to run her office (standard for senior politicians) or maybe it is just made up crap. There is no evidence for significant personal wealth that I can see. The story about her buying a second/third home in London may be true (if she is doing the buying) but the alleged cost has jumped up £100k in 24 hours. None of the figures are evidenced.

She doesn't have major investments, she doesn't do paid work outside Parliament, she may be getting brown envelopes from donors or lobbyists - but no one has given any evidence I can see.

This piece looks most reasonable:

https://www.tuko.co.ke/facts-lifehac...what-net-worth

Always fair to be on the look out for grifters and hypocrites, but Angela Raynor seems to attract a particular type of venom that is less to do with her views or actions as a senior politician, and more to do with her sex and her background.

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Irrespective of her class and sex shes a raving hypocrite who slagged off tory housing policy whilst selling her council home for profit

Get her gone along with the rest of the cabinet , shes an open goal

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Irrespective of her class and sex shes a raving hypocrite who slagged off tory housing policy whilst selling her council home for profit

Get her gone along with the rest of the cabinet , shes an open goal

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I disagree with what she did with buying her Council home in 2008 - then selling it in 2015.

We are mostly on the same page about Right To Buy - although I am less critical of the individuals who took advantage and more of the politicians who made it happen.

But she is not a hypocrite on that - just wrong - she always supported Right To Buy (although like a lot of other Labour people who has no problem with and took advantage of RTB, she salved her conscience by arguing the discounts were too high).

But the latest controversy is not about Right To Buy. It is a cheap and hypocritical shot from James Cleverley for the Tories. It looks as if he has succeeded in making himself look stupid. Can you believe.....? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I disagree with what she did with buying her Council home in 2008 - then selling it in 2015.

We are mostly on the same page about Right To Buy - although I am less critical of the individuals who took advantage and more of the politicians who made it happen.

But she is not a hypocrite on that - just wrong - she always supported Right To Buy (although like a lot of other Labour people who has no problem with and took advantage of RTB, she salved her conscience by arguing the discounts were too high).

But the latest controversy is not about Right To Buy. It is a cheap and hypocritical shot from James Cleverley for the Tories. It looks as if he has succeeded in making himself look stupid. Can you believe.....? :hehe:

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Well, we are talking about the bloke who tried to manipulate the 43rd ballot of the last Tory leadership election to his advantage and ended up being knocked out of a contest he seemed to be winning :hehe: