Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
The truth is simple. I'll try again. I'll ignore your silly insults - let's try to be civil rather than UKIPers.

1. The EU has myriad trade agreements; many that date back to the '70s. Trade agreements take years to negotiate. It's for the outers like you to demonstrate the UK would be better off jettisoning all of that. Free trade is universally good, more free trade is better. No brainer.

2. I never mentioned anything about numbers of parties in comparing the US and the UK. You're conflating political sociology with the simple point I made about the supposed lack of sovereignty membership of the EU entails. The simple fact is the will of the people for a government that represents the majority of them is elusive. The UK populace doesn't get it, EU or no EU. No brainer.

3. You're wrong. Many of the iners have given the social (and indirect economic) benefits that follow from hard-won things like the rights enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights a great deal of thought and will mourn its disappearance with an out vote. Who cares how the EU social provisions came about? It appears you don't appreciate the inalienable rights the EU currently affords you. Again no brainer.

Britons aren't British citizens (there is no set of enshrined constitutional rights or bill of rights), they are subjects of her majesty. They are currently, however, European citizens. I'd think awfully hard about chucking the latter in the trash.
I get it , some will just ague as their minds are made up , I am going to approach this matter with fear :

Fear point In : if we leave it cost us and the economy dearly at a time when its not that strong , our ability to unwrap trade deals , and other joint agreements quickly and re adjust will take years.

Fear point two : we leave and become a sovereign rule Britannia country , see a split up of the UK , win back some cash ,which will probably be wasted , Boris in charge, Farge smiling ,workers rights attacked , Wales funding lost ,the political loons who are backing this eeek .

Stay in me thinks .