Riot in Ely

[Rjk]

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Their statements both this morning and this evening have been carefully worded. For example they have stated they didn't have vehicles on Snowdon road at the time of the crash which could end up meaning they were just in a side street about to turn into Snowdon Road.

they claimed the police car was on grand avenue

[EastbourneBlue]

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The police may have been following to ensure safety but they could be seen as chasing ?

Wtf are the police doing denying they were involved in this matter before the death of these kids ?

They look very bad now this footage has come to light

If we can’t trust the police to tell the truth about the most basic of things, then what hope have we got.

This was a calculated lie. There’s no mistake or rubbish about the police being in a different road. They thought they could get away with it so gave it a go.

To then say they can’t answer questions because the press office closed at 5pm…wow

What happened after is completely separate.

Many people don’t trust politicians, police, health leaders, what’s left?

[TWGL1]

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Some of my best mates from following cardiff city are from Ely (Millbank) they are the some of the kindest and most loyal friends I’ve ever met.

Not sure why hivis would post such a moronic thing

[the other bob wilson]

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If we can’t trust the police to tell the truth about the most basic of things, then what hope have we got.

This was a calculated lie. There’s no mistake or rubbish about the police being in a different road. They thought they could get away with it so gave it a go.

To then say they can’t answer questions because the press office closed at 5pm…wow

What happened after is completely separate.

Many people don’t trust politicians, police, health leaders, what’s left?

Well said.

[Tuerto]

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Plenty of good people in Ely, I'm there most days working, lots of unseen good work going on in the community. I'd prefer to concentrate on those people, although in defence of Hivis's poor attempt at humour, I do think that he was joking, a play on words, I'm sure it's feedy, and I don't think that he's like that.

[bobh]

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There's been a suggestion that they were hit by a bus.
Only seen an early tweet, can't imagine it being true and the bus co (prob Cardiff Bus) not saying something.
And don't all busses have dashcams these days?

[nomad blue]

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It's not the fault of the police but it is the job of the police to admit if they were following a vehicle

And they denied that initially

But now they seem to have been caught with their pants down

Following a vehicle and chasing a vehicle are two completely different things though aren't they?

I've not been following this too much, but how long before they crashed was the cctv footage showing a police van behind them?

Also, the sooner there's a total ban on electric/motorised scooters and bikes(or at least massive fines for people riding them like massive *****) the better for everyone.

[Rjk]

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Following a vehicle and chasing a vehicle are two completely different things though aren't they?

I've not been following this too much, but how long before they crashed was the cctv footage showing a police van behind them?

Also, the sooner there's a total ban on electric/motorised scooters and bikes(or at least massive fines for people riding them like massive *****) the better for everyone.

supposedly the video clip that has been shared was taken at 5:59 and the crash occurred at 6pm about 100 metres from the position of the camera

[Tuerto]

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supposedly the video clip that has been shared was taken at 5:59 and the crash occurred at 6pm about 100 metres from the position of the camera

They were chasing them, absolutely crazy. These young lads had no protective gear on, and two of them on the bike. The police would have known who they were and could have caught up with them a bit later on quite easily. Some of these coppers are ****ing arseholes, on one for some reason, plenty of decent coppers as well. I had an experience a few weeks back in Ely with three armed police officers in balaclavas, not saying it wasn't merited, but they go in heavy up there, and often.

[The Bloop]

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There's been a suggestion that they were hit by a bus.
Only seen an early tweet, can't imagine it being true and the bus co (prob Cardiff Bus) not saying something.
And don't all busses have dashcams these days?

There was a (blurred out) still from a video apparently showing officers giving cpr to the boys. Next to them was a bus. I'd imagine anything recorded by the bus has been handed over.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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If we can’t trust the police to tell the truth about the most basic of things, then what hope have we got.

This was a calculated lie. There’s no mistake or rubbish about the police being in a different road. They thought they could get away with it so gave it a go.

To then say they can’t answer questions because the press office closed at 5pm…wow

What happened after is completely separate.

Many people don’t trust politicians, police, health leaders, what’s left?

Alun Micheal was on the radio this morning saying there was no police chase .

Let's be fair here .....if a big cheese in the police is asked if police officers were chasing ....or following ...or whatever.... 2 youngsters who later died then if asked that question ......which the community were asking .....then surely you say the youngsters were being chased .....or the youngsters were being followed by officers ?

There's your chance

Not oh right well you didn't actually specifically ask us that !?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Following a vehicle and chasing a vehicle are two completely different things though aren't they?

I've not been following this too much, but how long before they crashed was the cctv footage showing a police van behind them?

Also, the sooner there's a total ban on electric/motorised scooters and bikes(or at least massive fines for people riding them like massive *****) the better for everyone.

That's why the police should straight away have said .....the victims were being followed by officers in a van

But they came out with a load of cobblers and clearly people had seen the incident and saw the police behind the kids

Legally there is a difference between a police chase and a van keeping up to speed with two kids on a scooter but it seems the police havnt been straight here or some would call it lying

[Des Parrot]

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Yes, it is starting to unfold, those types of electric bikes with a throttle are illegal, I think the police have the power to confiscate and crush them.

They’re not illegal and there are numerous agents selling them throughout the UK. If you have £5k spare you could buy one tomorrow . The standard version is restricted to 30mph (no license required) but a derestricted one is capable of 50mph, they’re basically treated as a moped or scooter, as regards to licensing requirements, therefore helmets are a legal requirement.

[Des Parrot]

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Also, the sooner there's a total ban on electric/motorised scooters and bikes(or at least massive fines for people riding them like massive *****) the better for everyone.

They’re a mode of transport used by millions daily across Europe and now in major cities in the UK. I used one in Berlin a couple of weekends ago (there are 20+ on every corner) & Gdańsk last weekend. They’re here to stay and will become more prolific. Of course there are ****** users but that applies to every mode of transport.

[RichardM]

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They’re not illegal and there are numerous agents selling them throughout the UK. If you have £5k spare you could buy one tomorrow . The standard version is restricted to 30mph (no license required) but a derestricted one is capable of 50mph, they’re basically treated as a moped or scooter, as regards to licensing requirements, therefore helmets are a legal requirement.

And so are tax, insurance and a number plate. So are mostly ridden in an illegal manner.