Evolving or Mutating?

[truthpaste]

Re: Evolving or Mutating?

As we enter the third day of Jon's deliberation, here is a surprisingly unfillfilling article on "THE BIG BANG" by the ultra reliable newspaper known as The Guardian.

[jon1959]

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No problem, first of all, what are you saying actually exploded and where did it come from?

As we enter the third day of Jon's deliberation, here is a surprisingly unfillfilling article on "THE BIG BANG" by the ultra reliable newspaper known as The Guardian.

I'm sorry. Were you expecting a reply?

I thought your usual evasion and deflection was just your way of giving up on the argument? It has been in the past.

FWIW I don't have an answer for what existed before the big bang - or didn't exist. I sometimes get my head partly around the idea of non-linear time, and folds in space, and anti-matter and all the other mind bending exciting stuff from mathematics and astronomy.

But it's not my world and I don't need the answer to accept the best available scientific theories about the origins, size and expansion of the universe.

However, in the interests of even handedness. If you are not prepared to explain how the Big Bang fits with Genesis, then tell us who created your god. And who created the creator of your god? And.... repeat to fade. Always good for a laugh!

[stevo]

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I’m still waiting for Truthpaste to answer my questions posted on the 7th Jan

[jeepster]

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I’m still waiting for Truthpaste to answer my questions posted on the 7th Jan

He is looking for a suitable passage from the book.

[lardy]

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He is looking for a suitable passage from the book.

I'm sure there's something vague enough to pass the test.

[truthpaste]

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Apologies Stevo, I missed your two questions in the one post (hopefully this will last a bit longer than the UFO enquiry).
The Bible certainly speaks about the impact of mistakes in the genome happening as time moves on by the specific instructions given by God to his people. Does it talk about DNA by name? Obviously not as it would only be those in very recent history who would have understood what that meant. Think about the amount of recent police cases that have been reopened with some producing convictions decades later because of recent discoveries in this field.
As for your second question, science is desperate to find a 'missing link' and has produced many false flags including Piltdown Man. I can confidently predict he will not, because like every other thing He has told us, God is *always completely reliable the first time he makes a statement, unlike *man.

[stevo]

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Apologies Stevo, I missed your two questions in the one post (hopefully this will last a bit longer than the UFO enquiry).
The Bible certainly speaks about the impact of mistakes in the genome happening as time moves on by the specific instructions given by God to his people. Does it talk about DNA by name? Obviously not as it would only be those in very recent history who would have understood what that meant. Think about the amount of recent police cases that have been reopened with some producing convictions decades later because of recent discoveries in this field.
As for your second question, science is desperate to find a 'missing link' and has produced many false flags including Piltdown Man. I can confidently predict he will not, because like every other thing He has told us, God is *always completely reliable the first time he makes a statement, unlike *man.

No worries, thanks for replying.

Before Darwin's false claim that Piltdown man was the missing link between apes and humans and since proved as a hoax, it had lost its validity with the discovery of subsequent finds such as the Taung Child and Peking Man. Have you ever visited the Nation History museum in London? Either way, you haven't completely answered my question about Neanderthals - if you don't believe Neanderthals and other subfamilies of homininae are related to humans, are you saying they are unrelated to humans and therefore a different species entirely or never existed at all?

Thanks.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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No worries, thanks for replying.

Before Darwin's false claim that Piltdown man was the missing link between apes and humans and since proved as a hoax, it had lost its validity with the discovery of subsequent finds such as the Taung Child and Peking Man. Have you ever visited the Nation History museum in London? Either way, you haven't completely answered my question about Neanderthals - if you don't believe Neanderthals and other subfamilies of homininae are related to humans, are you saying they are unrelated to humans and therefore a different species entirely or never existed at all?

Thanks.

Darwin? Don't you mean Dawson? And I don't mean Les....

[Canton Kev]

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God is *always completely reliable the first time he makes a statement, unlike *man.

Why did god flood the earth and kill all life bar 8 people and 2 of every animal? Sounds like he made a bit of a cock up and tried to see if the old turn it off and on again trick would cover his back.

[stevo]

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Darwin? Don't you mean Dawson? And I don't mean Les....

You're quite right. Senior moment. Darwin of course was no fraud :hehe:

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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You're quite right. Senior moment. Darwin of course was no fraud :hehe:

Best not confuse truthpaste who conflates science with scientists. Science is there to be discovered (despite incomplete, misunderstood, partly understood or even false information being gleaned and/or promulgated by various individuals).
A false or incorrect premise by an individual, whether he or she is considered to be a scientist, does not invalidate science itself. Peer evaluation and additional information over the long term tends to lead to such cases being debunked.
To imagine that scientists around the world are in cahoots is unbelievable laughable - as is the notion of science being a mirror of religion. It's the complete antithesis of religion in that even the most famous reputable scientists in the world revise their position if new data becomes available and which disproves their previous understanding.

[truthpaste]

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I'm sorry. Were you expecting a reply?

I thought your usual evasion and deflection was just your way of giving up on the argument? It has been in the past.

FWIW I don't have an answer for what existed before the big bang - or didn't exist. I sometimes get my head partly around the idea of non-linear time, and folds in space, and anti-matter and all the other mind bending exciting stuff from mathematics and astronomy.

But it's not my world and I don't need the answer to accept the best available scientific theories about the origins, size and expansion of the universe.

However, in the interests of even handedness. If you are not prepared to explain how the Big Bang fits with Genesis, then tell us who created your god. And who created the creator of your god? And.... repeat to fade. Always good for a laugh!

No, you actually gave up, until kicked back into life. People like Gofer and myself don't give up, mainly because we have something to say, as we are not standing on other people's opinions and as a result we are not short of an answer.

As you've again demonstrated (above), if a scientist doesn't tell you what to think, you have nothing to offer, hence my question. I knew you had no answer, because they have no answer about the origin of the 'big bang' either.

So let's get up to speed here; you are actually asking me this question; science has offered a way of understanding the moment this dimension began, it hasn't quite finished working out the idea from the start, yet you want to use it as a way of questioning Genesis!

So try getting an understanding first, and then question the account given by God, because a half baked idea is just that - an idea, mainly for people who have no idea at all :facepalm:

[jon1959]

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No, you actually gave up, until kicked back into life. People like Gofer and myself don't give up, mainly because we have something to say, as we are not standing on other people's opinions and as a result we are not short of an answer.

As you've again demonstrated (above), if a scientist doesn't tell you what to think, you have nothing to offer, hence my question. I knew you had no answer, because they have no answer about the origin of the 'big bang' either.

So let's get up to speed here; you are actually asking me this question; science has offered a way of understanding the moment this dimension began, it hasn't quite finished working out the idea from the start, yet you want to use it as a way of questioning Genesis!

So try getting an understanding first, and then question the account given by God, because a half baked idea is just that - an idea, mainly for people who have no idea at all :facepalm:

Another pile of pathetic evasion. The only thing in that lot that is true is that you don't give up - you stick around like a rash.

You posted a reference to a scientist who was a believer in your religion but whose work underpinned our current understanding of the beginning of the universe - the Big Bang.

I asked you how the Big Bang is consistent with Genesis - because if it's not you have succeeded again in undermining your own fantasy belief system.

Since then you have evaded and deflected and ducked and weaved. If you haven't got an answer - even if it is just the two things are incompatible - then just say so and give us a rest from all your bollux. Thanks.

[stevo]

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Truthpaste - you still haven’t answered my question on the evolution of Homo sapiens.

Even so, I have another (broader) question - what science do you agree with? Periodic table? The fact that all elements beyond hydrogen and helium in the periodic table, including those that make up our bodies were created in dying stars?

Furthermore, how big is the universe? Are you okay with the theories on quantum physics and does God play with dice? What are your views on Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle? Interested to hear your thoughts on what elements of science you do agree with.

[truthpaste]

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Truthpaste - you still haven’t answered my question on the evolution of Homo sapiens.

Even so, I have another (broader) question - what science do you agree with? Periodic table? The fact that all elements beyond hydrogen and helium in the periodic table, including those that make up our bodies were created in dying stars?

Furthermore, how big is the universe? Are you okay with the theories on quantum physics and does God play with dice? What are your views on Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle? Interested to hear your thoughts on what elements of science you do agree with.

Thanks for asking and engaging, it makes a refreshing change. I've got a lot happening at the moment but should have sufficient time to answer you on Monday or Tuesday. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.