20mph online petition

[dml1954]

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all the evidence from other schemes suggests that the 20mph speed limit will save about 10 lives a year and probably hundreds of serious injuries, countless more bumps in traffic where nobody was injured.

is that not worth adding a minute to your commute?

No because it isn't the speed limit that is the problem, it is the stupidity and recklessness of the drivers and those people will still drive the same, whatever the speed limit is. You can still kill someone driving at 10mph.

[the other bob wilson]

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So you will vote for him and his party, no matter what he does. That is a clear case of Lemming syndrome. What would he have to do before you wavered in your unflinching support ?

Takes one to know one I suppose.

[caerkid]

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And there you have it actual evidence from someone who has experienced it!

I've said it all along, Drakefords Law apologises (2 left I think) just try to deny it.

From a quick Google though road safety in Poland has increased significantly in recent years due to the measures they have taken (this was from being one of the worst countries in the world for road safety mind) :

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/01/06/road-deaths-fell-to-record-low-in-poland-in-2022-after-introduction-of-tougher-speeding-fines/

https://etsc.eu/poland-wins-international-road-safety-award-as-deaths-fall-by-half-in-ten-years/

This surely suggests that we should also introduce more speed bumps and speeding fine enforcement too ,rather than scrapping a road safety scheme ?

[tomcat]

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Why does England charge then? For fun?

Labour in Westminster haven't said they will do it?

She has explained the figures and it's correct. You really are an argumentative person though, totally uncalled for too.

[PontBlue]

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Absolutely, but that wasn't my point at all. You seem to have ignored that. My point is that there are sections of road that are now 20mph that are safer than some 30 or 40mph sections. It's daft.

If you think some 30mph and 40mph zones need to be reassessed and made slower you can always petition RCT.

The national speed limit on country lanes has always been stupid as most are not safe if you were to drive them at 60mph (and only idiots would)

[xsnaggle]

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My wife works as a procurement manager in the NHS and I can tell you that charging for prescriptions, with the added cost of processing those payments. is equivalent to offering them free.

I have a friend who is a pharmacist. He told me everyone in Wales gets free subscriptions because it was demmed to be cheaper that trying to sort out who was entitled and who wasn't and that checking to catch false claimants. So just a money saving exercise. Pity they didn't use the same criterion when spending £32 million on new road signs.

[Rjk]

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Made up nonsense after the event to try and justify the pointless change, you know it really give up the pretense.

It's a show of power and an attempt for attention, the same as five mile limits and we will lock our country down while the rest of the World is open.

There are real issues, like the failing Welsh NHS, and the care system, the money could have been used to improve Welsh services instead it was wasted pissing 90% of Welsh drivers off.

so if in a year's time the number of people dying on the roads has dropped by something like 10 people, will you admit you are wrong?

[Rjk]

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I have a friend who is a pharmacist. He told me everyone in Wales gets free subscriptions because it was demmed to be cheaper that trying to sort out who was entitled and who wasn't and that checking to catch false claimants. So just a money saving exercise. Pity they didn't use the same criterion when spending £32 million on new road signs.

the £32 million on road signs is estimated to save 90odd million in NHS expenditure

[Rjk]

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No because it isn't the speed limit that is the problem, it is the stupidity and recklessness of the drivers and those people will still drive the same, whatever the speed limit is. You can still kill someone driving at 10mph.

well let's see in a year's time

[Tuerto]

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No because it isn't the speed limit that is the problem, it is the stupidity and recklessness of the drivers and those people will still drive the same, whatever the speed limit is. You can still kill someone driving at 10mph.

On that basis, we're ****ed then, with everything. Lets not regulate because there will always be people who will ignore those regulations.

[Rjk]

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On that basis, we're ****ed then, with everything. Lets not regulate because there will always be people who will ignore those regulations.

I hear there were some murders last year, so clearly making murder illegal isn't working, time for the purge

[The Bloop]

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Sad news but affects 2,000 families, the speed change affects maybe three million motorists.

and 3 million pedestrians

[Tuerto]

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and 3 million pedestrians

And motorists are Pedestrians as well. Seems like a win win to me

[xsnaggle]

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the £32 million on road signs is estimated to save 90odd million in NHS expenditure

And there is no way anyone will ever be able to prove that is hasn't. After a year the Gov can put out whatever figure it wants, it will only be an opinion. And £90million over what period?
Its all about what if. Maybe road deaths will fall anyway, but what if the go up? will the Gov say it was because of the speed limit change I doubt they would ever admit it) or put out some other reason?
It will be like the drastic fall in tourist revenue it will be because of some other factor(s) never ever as a result of any new rules or regulations the Gov bring in.
The don't have the balls to admit they're wrong. Drakeford has already said about the petition that he has no intention of taking any notice of it, so where is the democrcy in that? When asked he gave a 1 word answer "No"

[jon1959]

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Drakeford has already said about the petition that he has no intention of taking any notice of it, so where is the democrcy in that? When asked he gave a 1 word answer "No"

Didn’t Welsh Labour have the speed limit reduction in their last manifesto?

Didn’t Labour form a WAG administration on the back of that election?

Isn’t Drakeford and his party implementing the policy on which they were elected?

Where’s the democracy in that?