20mph online petition

[Tuerto]

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So that's a no from you then?

It's a both. I son't know how Devolved Government budgets work, maybe you do, Bit i would be very surprised if money could be taken from one thing to another (From Health to infrastructure) I would have thought that spending is set out and it has to be used on the things it is allocated towards. Unless someone can tell me different.

[xsnaggle]

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People stopped walking their dogs during covid :hehe: (not bullying, genuinely laughing)

If true that must be one weird place, and not like the rest of the UK.

When they first locked down in Northern Italy there was a report that as one of the only reasons they would let people leave to exercise their dog a dog in an apartment block nearly did from exhaustion because it was the only one in the block and all the residents were'borrowing' it to get some fresh air. The poor dog was being walked about 12 hours day. :hehe:

[Hilts]

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The area of Swansea im in is a nightmare.

Signs unclear.

Signs covered in paint.

They need to sort it out.

With the traffic at 20mph definitely finding it easier at junctions pulling out mind.

[JamesWales]

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It's a both. I son't know how Devolved Government budgets work, maybe you do, Bit i would be very surprised if money could be taken from one thing to another (From Health to infrastructure) I would have thought that spending is set out and it has to be used on the things it is allocated towards. Unless someone can tell me different.

They can essentially allocate things as they see fit. There are statutory obligations that govts (mainly through councils) have to provide, such as waste collection, education etc so you couldn't cut all funding but within reasonable parameters the Welsh Govt is fit to allocate resources as they see fit.

That's why when the UK govt announces extra funding on some specific health initiative for example, they give a chunk of money to the devolved govts but it doesn't have to be spent on the same thing.

[goats]

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They can essentially allocate things as they see fit. There are statutory obligations that govts (mainly through councils) have to provide, such as waste collection, education etc so you couldn't cut all funding but within reasonable parameters the Welsh Govt is fit to allocate resources as they see fit.

That's why when the UK govt announces extra funding on some specific health initiative for example, they give a chunk of money to the devolved govts but it doesn't have to be spent on the same thing.

What was that story a few months ago the WAG had to give Westminster back 180 million or something as they hadn’t managed to spend it in the allotted time given…..you really wonder what goes on behind those doors eh?

[jon1959]

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They can essentially allocate things as they see fit. There are statutory obligations that govts (mainly through councils) have to provide, such as waste collection, education etc so you couldn't cut all funding but within reasonable parameters the Welsh Govt is fit to allocate resources as they see fit.

That's why when the UK govt announces extra funding on some specific health initiative for example, they give a chunk of money to the devolved govts but it doesn't have to be spent on the same thing.

There was a lot of finger pointing and stamping of tiny feet on here a few months back when it was ‘revealed’ that the WAG hadn’t used its full NHS funding allocation (under the formula at the time) on the NHS. They had moved some of their health budget into adult social care - to help join up the services and get better value and outcomes from the money available to them. On the face of it that was smart and sensible - but denounced by government ministers on weekend politics talk shows and by the army of Tory cheerleaders on CCMB.

So yes - there is some discretion on how London determined funding is used.

[JamesWales]

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There was a lot of finger pointing and stamping of tiny feet on here a few months back when it was ‘revealed’ that the WAG hadn’t used its full NHS funding allocation (under the formula at the time) on the NHS. They had moved some of their health budget into adult social care - to help join up the services and get better value and outcomes from the money available to them. On the face of it that was smart and sensible - but denounced by government ministers on weekend politics talk shows and by the army of Tory cheerleaders on CCMB.

So yes - there is some discretion on how London determined funding is used.

Yeah there is a FullFact thing on it here - refers to Scotland but in this respect it's the same for Wales too.

The WG have a huge say over health expenditure. Not only can they allocate the main WG as they see fit, they can also choose what to do with additional funds that come about as a result of increases in England. They also have more tax raising powers now.

https://fullfact.org/online/scotland-nhs-funding-devolved/

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Lobby your party in Westminster to provide the funds.

For Drippy to waste on nonsense :hehe:

[North Cardiff Blue]

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It's a both. I son't know how Devolved Government budgets work, maybe you do, Bit i would be very surprised if money could be taken from one thing to another (From Health to infrastructure) I would have thought that spending is set out and it has to be used on the things it is allocated towards. Unless someone can tell me different.

It didn't have to be spent on this nonsense policy, 31 pages and everyone seems to agree because no one has come out and said yes this should be the Welsh government's absolute top priority and was the best use for this money, even though the is the CCFC labour board.

We got there in the end, now how do we overturn it and make sure this never happens again, we are a poor Country and can't afford to be throwing Millions, down the toilet.

[the other bob wilson]

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It didn't have to be spent on this nonsense policy, 31 pages and everyone seems to agree because no one has come out and said yes this should be the Welsh government's absolute top priority and was the best use for this money, even though the is the CCFC labour board.

We got there in the end, now how do we overturn it and make sure this never happens again, we are a poor Country and can't afford to be throwing Millions, down the toilet.

I take it ***** (he who cannot be named) board is the Tory one?

[Tuerto]

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It didn't have to be spent on this nonsense policy, 31 pages and everyone seems to agree because no one has come out and said yes this should be the Welsh government's absolute top priority and was the best use for this money, even though the is the CCFC labour board.

We got there in the end, now how do we overturn it and make sure this never happens again, we are a poor Country and can't afford to be throwing Millions, down the toilet.

It wasn't 'Absolute Priority' And although i prefer Welsh Labour to Parliamentary Labour, i am no fan of The Labour Party, Believe me.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I take it ***** (he who cannot be named) board is the Tory one?

:hehe: Yes there is a clear political divide.

Who's the first to say **** off over there then :hehe:

Probably Sludge or JR.

My job of educating you lot is not finished yet :thumbup:

[TWGL1]

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:hehe: Yes there is a clear political divide.

Who's the first to say **** off over there then :hehe:

Probably Sludge or JR.

My job of educating you lot is not finished yet :thumbup:

One or two hold a few prejudices as well if you dare to question the official narrative, or sway towards a different political ideology, the last time I looked, I thought All OpiNioNs arE welcomE ….

[79blue]

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To put to bed the argument about the effects of an impact at 30mph compared to 20mph we just need to go back to the basic physics. An object moving at a given velocity (speed) will have a kinetic energy (energy due to its mass and motion) as shown below:


Kinetic energy (in joules) = ½ MV2 - where M = mass (kg) and V = velocity (m/s)

30 mph = 13.4 m/s (meters per second) - 20 mph = 8.9 m/s

Weight of average sized car = 1900kg


At 30 mph the kinetic energy of a car is:

0.5 x 1900 x (13.4 x 13.4) = 170,582 J


At 20mph the kinetic energy of a car is

0.5 x 1900 x (8.9 x 8.9) = 72,250 J


That is a percentage difference of 57.6%. Therefore a car striking a pedestrian at 30mph will have more than double the energy of a car travelling at 20mph. This is because the energy is dependant on the square of the speed.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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To put to bed the argument about the effects of an impact at 30mph compared to 20mph we just need to go back to the basic physics. An object moving at a given velocity (speed) will have a kinetic energy (energy due to its mass and motion) as shown below:


Kinetic energy (in joules) = ½ MV2 - where M = mass (kg) and V = velocity (m/s)

30 mph = 13.4 m/s (meters per second) - 20 mph = 8.9 m/s

Weight of average sized car = 1900kg


At 30 mph the kinetic energy of a car is:

0.5 x 1900 x (13.4 x 13.4) = 170,582 J


At 20mph the kinetic energy of a car is

0.5 x 1900 x (8.9 x 8.9) = 72,250 J


That is a percentage difference of 57.6%. Therefore a car striking a pedestrian at 30mph will have more than double the energy of a car travelling at 20mph. This is because the energy is dependant on the square of the speed.

My five year old Grandaughter knows that.

You must agree there were better needs for the money :thumbup: