20mph online petition

[Rjk]

Re: 20mph online petition

My five year old Grandaughter knows that.

You must agree there were better needs for the money

it will save money

[Der Kaiser]

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My five year old Grandaughter knows that.

You must agree there were better needs for the money

How many goalposts have you got and how many times do they move per day?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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How many goalposts have you got and how many times do they move per day?

See no answers just deflection another one must agree the money was wasted, I think that's the lot now

[North Cardiff Blue]

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it will save money

So you agree

[Der Kaiser]

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See no answers just deflection another one must agree the money was wasted, I think that's the lot now

What's the point of providing answers when the response shifts goalposts or ignores fact. Far more enjoyable to just laugh at you.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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it will save money

Possibly, we'll wait for the accident stats to come out next year before we know for sure. This is undoubtedly going to cost others money.

[79blue]

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My five year old Grandaughter knows that.

You must agree there were better needs for the money

The statistics show that 10 lives will be saved per year with this change, but the real cost for the tax payer is for those who are severely injured. This number far exceeds the number of deaths. When considering the cost of road traffic related injuries, it is not just the cost of initial treatment that needs to be considered. The lifetime costs of looking after severely disabled or brain damaged patients and their loss of economic output. In some cases this can run into millions of pounds.

To give an example, though not related to a traffic injury, I will show much my diagnosis of MND has cost myself and the state.

I was diagnosed with MND in May, having experienced the symptoms for 6 months. I have had to spend over £13,000 of my own money to buy equipment that helps my family look after me. This includes a stair lift (which now has be upgraded after only 4 months), a powered arm chair, bathroom rebuild and many other devices. The state has provided me with a hospital bed, hoists, wheelchairs, commodes and a lifting cushion. Next week I am a getting an eye tracking computer system that will allow me to communicate and control my environment (which on its own is about £4,000). I have on average 5 visits per week from different health care professionals and at present I can only travel by ambulance.

This in only 4 months is as you can see a large expense. Now image a young person with a severe brain injury requiring round the clock living for 40+ years. You can easily realise how much cost that impact on the tax payer.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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What's the point of providing answers when the response shifts goalposts or ignores fact. Far more enjoyable to just laugh at you.

Not a great deflection, but well done, persistent but can't say the money is better spent on the 20mph fiasco.

Let's close this one down we are all in agreement, this was not the best use of the money and Drakeford should be sacked

[Bobby Dandruff]

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The statistics show that 10 lives will be saved per year with this change, but the real cost for the tax payer is for those who are severely injured. This number far exceeds the number of deaths. When considering the cost of road traffic related injuries, it is not just the cost of initial treatment that needs to be considered. The lifetime costs of looking after severely disabled or brain damaged patients and their loss of economic output. In some cases this can run into millions of pounds.

To give an example, though not related to a traffic injury, I will show much my diagnosis of MND has cost myself and the state.

I was diagnosed with MND in May, having experienced the symptoms for 6 months. I have had to spend over £13,000 of my own money to buy equipment that helps my family look after me. This includes a stair lift (which now has be upgraded after only 4 months), a powered arm chair, bathroom rebuild and many other devices. The state has provided me with a hospital bed, hoists, wheelchairs, commodes and a lifting cushion. Next week I am a getting an eye tracking computer system that will allow me to communicate and control my environment (which on its own is about £4,000). I have on average 5 visits per week from different health care professionals and at present I can only travel by ambulance.

This in only 4 months is as you can see a large expense. Now image a young person with a severe brain injury requiring round the clock living for 40+ years. You can easily realise how much cost that impact on the tax payer.

Very sobering.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The statistics show that 10 lives will be saved per year with this change, but the real cost for the tax payer is for those who are severely injured. This number far exceeds the number of deaths. When considering the cost of road traffic related injuries, it is not just the cost of initial treatment that needs to be considered. The lifetime costs of looking after severely disabled or brain damaged patients and their loss of economic output. In some cases this can run into millions of pounds.

To give an example, though not related to a traffic injury, I will show much my diagnosis of MND has cost myself and the state.

I was diagnosed with MND in May, having experienced the symptoms for 6 months. I have had to spend over £13,000 of my own money to buy equipment that helps my family look after me. This includes a stair lift (which now has be upgraded after only 4 months), a powered arm chair, bathroom rebuild and many other devices. The state has provided me with a hospital bed, hoists, wheelchairs, commodes and a lifting cushion. Next week I am a getting an eye tracking computer system that will allow me to communicate and control my environment (which on its own is about £4,000). I have on average 5 visits per week from different health care professionals and at present I can only travel by ambulance.

This in only 4 months is as you can see a large expense. Now image a young person with a severe brain injury requiring round the clock living for 40+ years. You can easily realise how much cost that impact on the tax payer.

All the very best with your treatment, I am glad your family is helping you out and that you are making the most of your difficult circumstances.

We can agree to disagree on the use of the money for speed reduction, I appreciate we are looking at it from different perspectives, I would prefer the money to be spent on people like yourself, rather than wasted on road signs and traffic enforcement, that a large percentage of the population don't agree with and feel is a waste of time.

It's done for now, I'll just have to live with it until the changes back to 30mph are gradually reintroduced to the bigger safer roads away from schools.

Hopefully it will speed up Drakeford's leaving party so it's there is some good that will come from it.

[PontBlue]

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I would prefer the money to be spent on people like yourself.

You'll be evicted from the Tory Party if they get a whiff those are your true sentiments.

[The Bloop]

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All the very best with your treatment, I am glad your family is helping you out and that you are making the most of your difficult circumstances.

We can agree to disagree on the use of the money for speed reduction, I appreciate we are looking at it from different perspectives, I would prefer the money to be spent on people like yourself, rather than wasted on road signs and traffic enforcement, that a large percentage of the population don't agree with and feel is a waste of time.

It's done for now, I'll just have to live with it until the changes back to 30mph are gradually reintroduced to the bigger safer roads away from schools.

Hopefully it will speed up Drakeford's leaving party so it's there is some good that will come from it.

Out of interest, have you spoken to any of your councillors yet about how to try to get a 30 limit reinstated?

[caerkid]

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How embarrassing that the First Minister of Wales has had threats to their own safety off the back of a traffic calming measure. Next time you hear the words 'snowflake' or 'karen' being bandied about lets just remember this incredible dummy spitting by adults who fear being mildly inconvenienced to try and save lives.

[JamesWales]

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How embarrassing that the First Minister of Wales has had threats to their own safety off the back of a traffic calming measure. Next time you hear the words 'snowflake' or 'karen' being bandied about lets just remember this incredible dummy spitting by adults who fear being mildly inconvenienced to try and save lives.

So everyone has to support every policy a govt comes up with because a handful of idiots send abusive messages to their political opponents?

Jesus, ffs!

[dandywarhol]

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Regional figures as of 24 September.
Including 20k English who are confused which Country they live in. Add multi email addresses/people voting more than once makes me wonder whether the figures are anywhere near accurate.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...eadmore-target https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...eadmore-target