20mph online petition

[dml1954]

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700+ post thread about driving a little bit slower.

To be fair though I have learnt that some people have found that having to drive a bit slower will make your journey a little bit longer so it wasn't all hot air in here.

It isn't just really about that though is it. It is about scrapping the whole Wales road building scheme, including the M4 relief road. Its about writing off £51m of our money that they gave away in LOANS to dodgy companies during Covid (which they will never get back). It is about the way that they have run the Wales NHS into the ground. It is about the shambolic way the Welsh Education system is run. It is about the way they handled Covid, including having a health minister who admitted that he never read any of the analysis/advice documents his department was given by the experts. It is about the dictatorial way they treat the people they are supposed to represent. And yet, after all this, there are still people that would vote for them, just to ‘keep the Tories out’.

[Dave Blue]

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It isn't just really about that though is it. It is about scrapping the whole Wales road building scheme, including the M4 relief road. It’s about writing off £51m of our money that they gave away in LOANS to dodgy companies during Covid (which they will never get back). It is about the way that they have run the Wales NHS into the ground. It is about the shambolic way the Welsh Education system is run. It is about the way they handled Covid, including having a health minister who admitted that he never read any of the analysis/advice documents his department was given by the experts. It is about the dictatorial way they treat the people they are supposed to represent. And yet, after all this, there are still people that would vote for them, just to ‘keep the Tories out’.

You’re right. It isn’t really about that. It’s about causing a big distraction from the most inept, corrupt and discredited Westminster government in history whilst passing these same bandits off as our saviours from the dreaded Welsh Government.

[goats]

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You’re right. It isn’t really about that. It’s about causing a big distraction from the most inept, corrupt and discredited Westminster government in history whilst passing these same bandits off as our saviours from the dreaded Welsh Government.

And by the looks of it loads more pollution, there’s me thinking he was big on the green issues too……on a side note seeing some mental fast driving now on roads that people know there’s no chance of cameras on, wedal rd is a good example of this……

[caerkid]

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It isn't just really about that though is it.

36 pages of people dismissing road safety statistics, and catastrophising about how this will collapse Welsh society as we know it , disagree with you sorry.

[bluesp]

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No need for 20 mph limit in central Cardiff, averaged 2 mph yesterday and missed first 10 minutes of the game.

[TWGL1]

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I just read that Lee Walters claimed £14,186.98 in car expenses... And £440 for train expenses for 3 trips...

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/minister-leading-roads-freeze-claimed-26382933

[JamesWales]

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I don't have a huge issue with politicians having expenses and using private transport sometimes, as it isn't always convenient..although he could show more contrition to road users as a result..

But if he is regularly using it between Penarth and Llanelli then that is pretty bad as that's a very doable train journey.

[bluesp]

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So Waters has two homes apparently and lives about 90 minutes from his constituency. Out of interest why isn’t a local resident representing that area? Also, do we help pay for one/ both of those homes? Not sure if anyone on here know the answers.

[dml1954]

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36 pages of people dismissing road safety statistics, and catastrophising about how this will collapse Welsh society as we know it , disagree with you sorry.

Thats twice you have missed the point now. If it was just all about the 20mph then probably people wouldn’t be so vociferous about but there is a catalogue of mistakes and stupid policies which indicate that Labour in Wales couldn't care less about motorists or the general population and are in it for themselves and to make headlines. They are running Welsh business, the NHS and transport, into the ground.

[dml1954]

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You’re right. It isn’t really about that. It’s about causing a big distraction from the most inept, corrupt and discredited Westminster government in history whilst passing these same bandits off as our saviours from the dreaded Welsh Government.

It would be rather strange if the Welsh Senedd Labour government were deliberately introducing a range of insane policies, just on the basis of covering up what the Conservative government in London is doing, don't you think. I know they are stupid but that would take stupidity to a whole new level. On the other hand, you could be insinuating that the people who have signed the petition and are kicking up a fuss are deliberately trying to do this to hide the UK government failings, which is a particularly patronising and insulting attitude to have. This gives an indication that you may be one of those people who would vote labour in Wales, no matter what they did, which to me is a reprehensible attitude and has led us to being in this mess in the first place.

[Rjk]

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It would be rather strange if the Welsh Senedd Labour government were deliberately introducing a range of insane policies, just on the basis of covering up what the Conservative government in London is doing, don't you think. I know they are stupid but that would take stupidity to a whole new level. On the other hand, you could be insinuating that the people who have signed the petition and are kicking up a fuss are deliberately trying to do this to hide the UK government failings, which is a particularly patronising and insulting attitude to have. This gives an indication that you may be one of those people who would vote labour in Wales, no matter what they did, which to me is a reprehensible attitude and has led us to being in this mess in the first place.

what's insane about the 20mph policy?
if it was so insane why has it also been successfully introduced in many other countries worldwide?

[JamesWales]

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what's insane about the 20mph policy?
if it was so insane why has it also been successfully introduced in many other countries worldwide?

It's not insane or extreme, but unfortunately that's the language that people have chosen for political discourse. Same with Liz Truss 'crashing' the economy, Brexit being a 'disaster' etc etc.

I think the policy is probably well meaning but ultimately misguided, totally unnecessary and govt overreach, but saying such things doesn't get as much airtime, unfortunately

[the other bob wilson]

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Third week of going for my weekly shop to Aldi’s Porth this morning. I set out ten minutes earlier than normal this morning following the really bad traffic jams (by the standards of that road) of the previous two weeks. As I had hoped it made all of the difference, traffic was light all the way down to Porth - it was just like it was before the new speed limit. I did find it frustrating and a bit pointless that I could see.about a hundred yards of clear road ahead and I’m limited to pootling along at a speed that doesn’t feel right - I don’t want to be able to drive at 50 mph or anything, just at the 30 mph I’m used to. I suppose I’ll eventually get used to it, but I am wondering if it’s all worth it at the moment.

[pipster]

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It isn't just really about that though is it. It is about scrapping the whole Wales road building scheme, including the M4 relief road. Its about writing off £51m of our money that they gave away in LOANS to dodgy companies during Covid (which they will never get back). It is about the way that they have run the Wales NHS into the ground. It is about the shambolic way the Welsh Education system is run. It is about the way they handled Covid, including having a health minister who admitted that he never read any of the analysis/advice documents his department was given by the experts. It is about the dictatorial way they treat the people they are supposed to represent. And yet, after all this, there are still people that would vote for them, just to ‘keep the Tories out’.

Do you know how many people the Senedd allowed to be hired in order to chase this money ?
Answer - 1 person - and I met him. A few years back at a function, ended up talking to someone - we exchanged the usual chit chat - and he explained what his job was. 'Oh you must have have a big team to goo after all those that basically stole money off the tax payer,?' I said - 'well urm - not really Im the only one' he said rather embarrassed by it.
He said it was an impossible task for one person. This was about 18 months or so ago - maybe they hired more - but it doesnt sound like it.

[splott parker]

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It would be rather strange if the Welsh Senedd Labour government were deliberately introducing a range of insane policies, just on the basis of covering up what the Conservative government in London is doing, don't you think. I know they are stupid but that would take stupidity to a whole new level. On the other hand, you could be insinuating that the people who have signed the petition and are kicking up a fuss are deliberately trying to do this to hide the UK government failings, which is a particularly patronising and insulting attitude to have. This gives an indication that you may be one of those people who would vote labour in Wales, no matter what they did, which to me is a reprehensible attitude and has led us to being in this mess in the first place.

The bible according to dml…..the WAG make mistakes on a daily basis…….Cardiff City AFC haven’t made a mistake in their 124 years