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  • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Originally posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I can't imagine that anyone is really interested in the following (and I tried my best not to respond to truthpaste's posts as I think his prejudice gets in the way of facts) but I'll put this out there once and for all. You can decide who is the fantasist:

    It all seem to start with a comment of mine , as follows:

    "Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government are known for their humanitarianism and compassion for their fellow man of a different religious persuasion. No irony is involved."
    The above is contained in post https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472305

    He responded with a post, the salient question from him being:
    "If there is nothing to choose between them, please post Israel's publicly announced desire to eradicate an entire nation.....?"


    My reply was "Are you incapable of reading what I wrote? Are you really that stupid to fabricate straw man arguments and to misrepresent my comments to fit your own myopic religious agenda?" i.e. I never commented that there is 'nothing to choose between them'.
    See https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472308

    And here's the exchange where Stevo rejects truthpaste's interpretation of his post:

    truthpaste's post


    Stevo's reply


    And immediately after the above accusation directed at Stevo, my reply to another one of truthpaste's accusations (and which was meant to be patronising, it seems. However, as someone who has worked in International Relations and with governments around the world I found it merely amusing. I have also visited Israel, The West Bank, Jordan, Egypt and Israel but that's by the by):


    This is a link to jon1959's post about truthpaste's deliberate smears of those criticising the act of the Isreli government:


    I don't intend getting into futher dialogue of any kind with truthpaste - as accuracy and truth are seemingly a moving feast for him, which is ironic concerning his religiosity.
    Indeed, why would anyone who has no valid argument wish to engage anyone?
    Your world view is a familiar one, as is your attitude to anything related to Israel.

    I am always open to dialogue and while we may never have the same foundation, I see no reason to dismiss you or anyone who shares your familiar take on life, the universe etc

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    • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

      So, Truthpaste - do you still defend Israel’s actions in response to Hamas’ terrorist attack?

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      • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

        Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
        Indeed, why would anyone who has no valid argument wish to engage anyone?
        Your world view is a familiar one, as is your attitude to anything related to Israel.

        I am always open to dialogue and while we may never have the same foundation, I see no reason to dismiss you or anyone who shares your familiar take on life, the universe etc
        Pathetic swerve.

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        • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

          Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
          I hope they restore the Sludge out-takes in the Director's Cut version.
          :hehe:

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          • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

            Originally posted by stevo View Post
            So, Truthpaste - do you still defend Israel’s actions in response to Hamas’ terrorist attack?
            I don't know of any democratic country that following such a hideous attack on its citizens wouldn't act against the terrorists that plotted and executed that plan.
            That doesn't mean I endorse every single act of Israel, however which war in all of history has ended up with any side involved in the conflict completely innocent in all it has said and done?

            Also rewind to October 6th; if tomorrow, the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust wasn't going to happen, how much innocent blood in that region would now have been shed?
            Also how many hostiges would currently be in Gaza?

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            • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

              I’d expect any country to act and respond to a terrorist attack made against them. The question is - do you think Israel’s level of response is proportionate and appropriate?

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              • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                Originally posted by stevo View Post
                I’d expect any country to act and respond to a terrorist attack made against them. The question is - do you think Israel’s level of response is proportionate and appropriate?
                Proportionate - as reported, not entirely.
                Appropriate - absolutely, until the last hostage is released.

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                • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                  On 7 October 2023, 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 764 civilians, were killed, and 248 persons taken hostage during the initial attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. Since then, over 26,637 Palestinians (the majority of whom were women and children) in the Gaza Strip have been killed according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

                  You think that’s appropriate? Not to mention the fact that over half of the Palestinian’s buildings have now been destroyed and left without power, water and access to medical aid.

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                  • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                    Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                    Proportionate - as reported, not entirely.
                    Appropriate - absolutely, until the last hostage is released.
                    The saying is @n eye for an eye, not twenty plus eyes for an eye.

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                    • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                      Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                      The saying is @n eye for an eye, not twenty plus eyes for an eye.
                      Fair point. What I don't understand though is why the protesters don't call on Hamas to release hostages. I would have so much more respect for them if that was a core part of the message

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                      • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                        Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                        Fair point. What I don't understand though is why the protesters don't call on Hamas to release hostages. I would have so much more respect for them if that was a core part of the message
                        Many of them do - as do many of the platform speakers at the rallies at the end.

                        But the focus of the local and national (and international) demonstrations for Gaza is ‘ceasefire now’.

                        That is what the demonstrators are demanding via our government, the US government, European and other ‘western’ governments who have all refused to take that position or to use their influence on Israel (especially the US) to stop the slaughter in Gaza and the West Bank.

                        Protestors’ do not need to give equal prominence to calls for release of the hostages. All those governments are saying that anyway.

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                        • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                          Originally posted by stevo View Post
                          On 7 October 2023, 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 764 civilians, were killed, and 248 persons taken hostage during the initial attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. Since then, over 26,637 Palestinians (the majority of whom were women and children) in the Gaza Strip have been killed according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

                          You think that’s appropriate? Not to mention the fact that over half of the Palestinian’s buildings have now been destroyed and left without power, water and access to medical aid.
                          Did you feel the same way when Saddam placed women & children in equally strategic positions which would ensure they were killed or injured, producing similar outcry from the majority far and wide?

                          When we look at this conflct in isolation it will look disproportionate; when we look at the larger agenda of Iranian backed groups and the history of many nations all with the same aim - the extermination of all Jews worldwide, it will look very different, particularly to those who study history and know the complete history of that region, and not just recent decades.

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                          • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                            Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                            Indeed, why would anyone who has no valid argument wish to engage anyone?
                            Your world view is a familiar one, as is your attitude to anything related to Israel.

                            I am always open to dialogue and while we may never have the same foundation, I see no reason to dismiss you or anyone who shares your familiar take on life, the universe etc
                            I have clearly established your deliberate twisting of other posters words and comments but perhaps you can fabricate some other comments I have made about Israel other that the one I reproduced a few messages ago. I'll wait......

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                            • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                              Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                              Did you feel the same way when Saddam placed women & children in equally strategic positions which would ensure they were killed or injured, producing similar outcry from the majority far and wide?

                              When we look at this conflct in isolation it will look disproportionate; when we look at the larger agenda of Iranian backed groups and the history of many nations all with the same aim - the extermination of all Jews worldwide, it will look very different, particularly to those who study history and know the complete history of that region, and not just recent decades.
                              It’s not about strategic placement of civilians though is it? Israel told Palestinians to move south and bombed the crap out of them anyway.

                              I did not support the war in Iraq either.

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                              • Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

                                Originally posted by stevo View Post
                                It’s not about strategic placement of civilians though is it? Israel told Palestinians to move south and bombed the crap out of them anyway.

                                I did not support the war in Iraq either.
                                It's interesting how coordinated Islamic Countries can be in attacking Israel (1967/ 1973 for example), yet not so in evacuating their fellow Muslims caught up in the bloody scheming/ agenda of Hamas.
                                As ever, people are not interested in considering the bigger picture re Israel and the land surrounding it's borders.
                                Two dreadful wrongs will never make a right, but on this occasion who actually struck the match?

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