40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

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Do you believe what Hamas say then? I mean, Hamas do want to wipe Israel off the map. They did sanction the murder of 1200 people and they couldn't care less about their own population. Seems quite possible that they would break a ceasefire to me.

And that doesn't change opinions on Israel but facts matter and I don't think it can be alluded to that Israel broke the ceasefire with no evidence of that.

Oh no , they are complete nutters

But so are Israel and the problem is that they are pretending they are not

I have no idea who started the latest charge into insanity but I do know that the hugely armed Israel have attacked again

That decision was made by Israel and watching their firing squad of officials this week I am surprised they didn't start earlier

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Did anyone watch Question Time on BBC1 TV last night? I'm not a great fan of Andrew Neil but I couldn't help feeling he hit the nail on the head when the inevitable topic of the war in Gaza came up. Basically he said that in his opinion there is no solution, military or politically, and consequently no hope. Pretty blunt stuff. Obviously this didn't go down too well with one of the other panelists, Layla Moran (Lib Dem M.P.) who is Palestinian and has relatives over there. She was clearly shocked by his comments but maybe this is the first time she had been confronted with the stark reality of it all?

He also mentioned that the IDF had considered the use of nuclear weapons - I don't know where he got that from, he didn't elaborate but even allowing for the war-monger faction within Israel that sounds pretty far fetched.

Well worth watching on iPlayer if you missed it.

There is no hope at the moment and I think that's probably a statement that could be made into an infinity

[stevo]

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I haven’t watched it but based on what you quoted he’s absolutely right.

[stevo]

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Hamas fired missiles into Israel didn't they?

Whether they did or whether they didn’t, they are a terrorist organisation. The Israeli government are supposedly a democratically elected government, who should know better than to kill 1000s of innocent civilians and cause a humanitarian crisis.

[JamesWales]

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Whether they did or whether they didn’t, they are a terrorist organisation. The Israeli government are supposedly a democratically elected government, who should know better than to kill 1000s of innocent civilians and cause a humanitarian crisis.

I don't entirely disagree with you. But the point is that Hamas broke the ceasefire. Israel can't be expected to keep tolerating missiles being fired into it. And that's not to say any response is acceptable, but it's important to recognise the was peace for several days and that was broken.

[Gofer Blue]

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It's not far fetched. It has been a part of the Gaza crisis for 2 weeks or more:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-nu...6796b0ade65768

Thanks for the link. Wow. However the remarks were just "metaphorical" apparently. Uhm!

Any talk of some sort of limited use of nuclear weapons (e.g. by Putin) is insane IMO. Apart from the risk of immediate escalation, do the would-be perpetrators assume their own territory/citizens would somehow be immune from the effects of radiation and fall-out? I well remember the Chernobyl accident and the subsequent radioactive sheep many, many miles away in north Wales!

[stevo]

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I don't entirely disagree with you. But the point is that Hamas broke the ceasefire. Israel can't be expected to keep tolerating missiles being fired into it. And that's not to say any response is acceptable, but it's important to recognise the was peace for several days and that was broken.

I’m just seeing both sides as bad as each other with innocent civilians being killed on both sides. Most people seem to be siding with one or the other instead of calling them both out. And governments including our own should have called for a ceasefire sooner.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[JamesWales]

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I’m just seeing both sides as bad as each other with innocent civilians being killed on both sides. Most people seem to be siding with one or the other instead of calling them both out. And governments including our own should have called for a ceasefire sooner.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

They should both be called out, but I think morally, consequence wise and in terms of the care they have for their own citizens, Hamas are far far worse. I know where I would rather live.

It's completely true the innocent are caught out on all sides. Was ever thus, sadly.

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Whether they did or whether they didn’t, they are a terrorist organisation. The Israeli government are supposedly a democratically elected government, who should know better than to kill 1000s of innocent civilians and cause a humanitarian crisis.

I think they want all out war

Absolute nutcases

[jon1959]

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I don't entirely disagree with you. But the point is that Hamas broke the ceasefire. Israel can't be expected to keep tolerating missiles being fired into it. And that's not to say any response is acceptable, but it's important to recognise the was peace for several days and that was broken.

There wasn’t peace for several days - there was a limited and very localised truce that allowed for dozens of hostages to be released, dozens of detainees to be released and a pitiful trickle of aid to get in to Gaza. At the same time the IDF was killing dozens more Palestinians in the West Bank and Hamas killed three Israelis in Jerusalem. It was far from peace - although a step in that direction.

Now we are back to Hamas taking pot shots at the iron dome and the Israelis mass murdering Palestinian civilians in the ‘safe’ south Gaza!

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When I was in Tunis on Wednesday the streets were being cleared and barriers erected for what turned out to be a demonstration about what was happening in Gaza.

When I asked a policeman (in poor French) what time the demo was, he asked me if I was going to take part. I pretended that I didn't understand and then his colleague asked me what I thought of the situation. With limited linguistic skills available to me I said that what Israel was doing isn't right but that the same could be said of Hamas, whereupon he replied that Gaza IS Hamas.
When the march took place, complete with Israel and USA flags doctored with swastikas, it was a lot smaller than that which took place in Cardiff before the last Saturday home game, which was surprising considering the amount police and barriers involved throughout the centre of the city.

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When I was in Tunis on Wednesday the streets were being cleared and barriers erected for what turned out to be a demonstration about what was happening in Gaza.

When I asked a policeman (in poor French) what time the demo was, he asked me if I was going to take part. I pretended that I didn't understand and then his colleague asked me what I thought of the situation. With limited linguistic skills available to me I said that what Israel was doing isn't right but that the same could be said of Hamas, whereupon he replied that Gaza IS Hamas.
When the march took place, complete with Israel and USA flags doctored with swastikas, it was a lot smaller than that which took place in Cardiff before the last Saturday home game, which was surprising considering the amount police and barriers involved throughout the centre of the city.

Well I think whilst it's good to be optimistic in life I think the situation is doomed

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When I was in Tunis on Wednesday the streets were being cleared and barriers erected for what turned out to be a demonstration about what was happening in Gaza.

When I asked a policeman (in poor French) what time the demo was, he asked me if I was going to take part. I pretended that I didn't understand and then his colleague asked me what I thought of the situation. With limited linguistic skills available to me I said that what Israel was doing isn't right but that the same could be said of Hamas, whereupon he replied that Gaza IS Hamas.
When the march took place, complete with Israel and USA flags doctored with swastikas, it was a lot smaller than that which took place in Cardiff before the last Saturday home game, which was surprising considering the amount police and barriers involved throughout the centre of the city.

So Hamas (meaning violence) exists to destroy as many Jews as possible (a 1930's narritive) ....and you saw "Israel and USA flags doctored with swastikas" - could anything be more ironic?

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So Hamas (meaning violence) exists to destroy as many Jews as possible (a 1930's narritive) ....and you saw "Israel and USA flags doctored with swastikas" - could anything be more ironic?

Many people believe that the Israeli state is oppressive and very right wing

And having their secret service organisations bump off those that don't agree with them isn't very liberal

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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So Hamas (meaning violence) exists to destroy as many Jews as possible (a 1930's narritive) ....and you saw "Israel and USA flags doctored with swastikas" - could anything be more ironic?

Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government are known for their humanitarianism and compassion for their fellow man of a different religious persuasion. No irony is involved.