Climate fanatics - where are you

[jon1959]

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At least a quarter of the billionaires registered as delegates at Cop28 made their fortunes from highly polluting industries such as petrochemicals, mining and beef production, a new analysis has shown.

The findings, revealed to the Guardian in an exclusive analysis of the 34 billionaires who are signed up to the UN summit, raise concerns about the influence wielded by ultra-rich, mega-emitters on the world’s efforts to tackle the climate crisis. Together the 34 are worth about $495.5bn.

The high number of billionaires at the conference, along with the many private jets they flew in on, suggests Cop may now be second only to Davos as a gathering point for the world’s ultra-rich, who can meet and potentially influence government leaders and senior politicians and bureaucrats, while making deals with other business owners.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/12/one-in-four-billionaire-cop28-delegates-made-fortunes-from-polluting-industries

[MOZZER2]

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today Spain records highest ever December temperature on the back of record snow and cold in Europe last week

Historic day...

We just observed the hottest December day for Spain ���� on record with +29.9°C in Málaga.

This heat is hard to comprehend in the middle of December, so near the solstice. pic.twitter.com/GMcVkx3TmI

— Scott Duncan (@ScottDuncanWX) December 12, 2023

[Rjk]

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can you explain what you mean about the heliocentric model?

I'm genuinely interested in what makes you say this, it could mean a lot of different things?

Like the sun isn't the centre of the universe - nobody thinks that, It's in the outer arm of a fairly unremarkable galaxy
Also you could argue that the earth and the sun go around each other, as earth's gravity also has an effect on the sun (although the centre of Gravity between the two is almost in the centre of the sun)
What exactly are you trying to say?

[Heathblue]

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I'm genuinely interested in what makes you say this, it could mean a lot of different things?

Like the sun isn't the centre of the universe - nobody thinks that, It's in the outer arm of a fairly unremarkable galaxy
Also you could argue that the earth and the sun go around each other, as earth's gravity also has an effect on the sun (although the centre of Gravity between the two is almost in the centre of the sun)
What exactly are you trying to say?

It's totally unprovable and just a theory, and by just pointing this out the climate disciples like to call me a conspiracy theorist but cannot prove the theory.
https://interestingengineering.com/s...ocentric-model, the Astrophysicists cannot decide amongst themselves but the ccmb font of all knowledge brigade have it all boxed off nice and cushty.
Keep on trying lads, but just come back with some facts.

[Gofer Blue]

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Even if climate change is all down to purely some cyclical natural process where is the harm in trying to develop 100% green energy which would at least give the UK energy security? Of course if it is all down to some natural process, and burning fossil fuels is irrelevant, civilisation as we know it on Planet Earth is doomed anyway!

It seems to me there is no denying the dramatic melting of ice in the polar regions. If all the ice melts then I read that sea level would rise by 70 metres and of course we would lose the heat-deflecting role of the ice caps which could lead to run-away global warming.

I don't think it's helpful to say that of course global warming has happened many times before, millions or billions of years ago - it may well have done, but there weren't thousands of cities housing billions of people at the time!

[Rjk]

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Even if climate change is all down to purely some cyclical natural process where is the harm in trying to develop 100% green energy which would at least give the UK energy security? Of course if it is all down to some natural process, and burning fossil fuels is irrelevant, civilisation as we know it on Planet Earth is doomed anyway!

It seems to me there is no denying the dramatic melting of ice in the polar regions. If all the ice melts then I read that sea level would rise by 70 metres and of course we would lose the heat-deflecting role of the ice caps which could lead to run-away global warming.

I don't think it's helpful to say that of course global warming has happened many times before, millions or billions of years ago - it may well have done, but there weren't thousands of cities housing billions of people at the time!

the case for climate change being man-made is utterly compelling.
none of the people on this board who don't agree with it have been able to describe what that case is, which strongly suggests that they don't have sufficient awareness or understanding of it.

[Rjk]

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It's totally unprovable and just a theory, and by just pointing this out the climate disciples like to call me a conspiracy theorist but cannot prove the theory.
https://interestingengineering.com/s...ocentric-model, the Astrophysicists cannot decide amongst themselves but the ccmb font of all knowledge brigade have it all boxed off nice and cushty.
Keep on trying lads, but just come back with some facts.

when you say astrophysicists cannot decide amongst themselves, what specific things do you refer to?

the link you posted is rather strange - it keeps referring to the sun being the centre of the universe, which nobody believes to be the case, if that is your problem with it then everyone will probably agree with you.

[Heathblue]

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Even if climate change is all down to purely some cyclical natural process where is the harm in trying to develop 100% green energy which would at least give the UK energy security? Of course if it is all down to some natural process, and burning fossil fuels is irrelevant, civilisation as we know it on Planet Earth is doomed anyway!

It seems to me there is no denying the dramatic melting of ice in the polar regions. If all the ice melts then I read that sea level would rise by 70 metres and of course we would lose the heat-deflecting role of the ice caps which could lead to run-away global warming.

I don't think it's helpful to say that of course global warming has happened many times before, millions or billions of years ago - it may well have done, but there weren't thousands of cities housing billions of people at the time!

A very measured response GB and much of what you say I'm 100% in agreement with, I have 2 children and 6 grand children and want the world to be a nice place for them including clean air and would back all / any controls that would help achieve fhis, what I'll not fall into line with is, having to listen to the world is dying every 5 years by the same individuals getting very rich whilst not practicing what they preach or at the very least actually prove the science of the religion they preach, stop indoctrinating kids in primary and junior schools. My science is lived experience and having listened to this rubbish say 40 years, discounting the 1st 22 show me the evidence not the modeling and theory BTW I have a brilliant full set of books on this topic that were written 50,s much of historical data is made very difficult to obtain on the wonder web by obvuscation methods, luckily written books still exist, it was theory then as it's theory now, the major difference now is that the whole subject has been hijacked and many brilliant climatology experts on the other side of the coin have been silenced and canceled, this alone should bring out the curiosity in people, there is very little across the table debate on this, just like C19, once the science was settled, it was not possible to challenge it without being labeled!!!!

[lardy]

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It's totally unprovable and just a theory, and by just pointing this out the climate disciples like to call me a conspiracy theorist but cannot prove the theory.
https://interestingengineering.com/s...ocentric-model, the Astrophysicists cannot decide amongst themselves but the ccmb font of all knowledge brigade have it all boxed off nice and cushty.
Keep on trying lads, but just come back with some facts.

Predictions can be made about where a planet will be in the sky at any given time based on what we know about their orbits.

These predictions are always correct. You can easily check it yourself on an app.

[TWGL1]

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Predictions can be made about where a planet will be in the sky at any given time based on what we know about their orbits.

These predictions are always correct. You can easily check it yourself on an app.

It’s not fact though it’s an assumption, like most things and these assumptions carry more weight if you believe in them.

How do they know exactly how far away the sun is for example - it’s a theory. Just because NASA says it’s 93m miles away there is no way of proving it.

Einstein had plenty of theories. Science theories are actually neither proven or disproven.

[jon1959]

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Even if climate change is all down to purely some cyclical natural process where is the harm in trying to develop 100% green energy which would at least give the UK energy security? Of course if it is all down to some natural process, and burning fossil fuels is irrelevant, civilisation as we know it on Planet Earth is doomed anyway!

It seems to me there is no denying the dramatic melting of ice in the polar regions. If all the ice melts then I read that sea level would rise by 70 metres and of course we would lose the heat-deflecting role of the ice caps which could lead to run-away global warming.

I don't think it's helpful to say that of course global warming has happened many times before, millions or billions of years ago - it may well have done, but there weren't thousands of cities housing billions of people at the time!

Good post.

[TWGL1]

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Good post.

Simple question , why do planners allow housing to be built on flood plains and brownfield sites…

[jon1959]

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Simple question , why do planners allow housing to be built on flood plains and brownfield sites…

Simple answer - I have no idea why planners allow housing to be built on flood plains if there are no adequate flood defences in place. What was a once in a century flooding event a few decades back is now once in a handful of years. But what is your problem with brownfield sites? I would like to see all new housing built on brownfield sites! I have obviously missed something there, along with your choice of as a sign off!

[Heathblue]

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No need to downplay your actual accomplishments. I mean working for the same company for 36 years, having at least two A Levels and still being the right side of 50 is no mean feat for starters!

I'm currently on my 3rd Job since this time last year, fell into this one by total chance, nothing is forever however I've just got through the 3 month probation period, changed engineering sectors and did think it was going south 6 weeks ago, nuclear is so yesterday 😂 but finding it challenging learning a new set of specifications I said it 3 jobs ago, but this is my last engineering job. NQAT the stress is unrelenting.

[Gofer Blue]

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A very measured response GB and much of what you say I'm 100% in agreement with, I have 2 children and 6 grand children and want the world to be a nice place for them including clean air and would back all / any controls that would help achieve fhis, what I'll not fall into line with is, having to listen to the world is dying every 5 years by the same individuals getting very rich whilst not practicing what they preach or at the very least actually prove the science of the religion they preach, stop indoctrinating kids in primary and junior schools.

I also have children (two) and grandchildren (five), so the future of civilisation on planet Earth is also quite an important topic for me too! Not so much for me myself as I am already well past the “three score years and ten” landmark, so my days are definitely numbered. (According to life insurance actuary tables I should have another 10 years apparently!).

When you say you “want the world to be a nice place for them including clean air and would back all / any controls that would help achieve this” I am a bit confused. If climate change is not man-made what possible controls can we put in place? We are not able to control the weather or prevent climate change if it is a natural event, so we are inevitably doomed surely? Or do you think that we can live through what's coming as it is not going to be as severe as predicted i.e. hotter summers, occasional droughts, wetter/milder winters? That's just a rather myopic U.K. perspective of course – the rest of the world could be in much bigger trouble with severe droughts or severe flooding, leading to mass starvation and mass emigration.

Looking on the bright side we may not have to worry about climate change at all if Putin defeats Ukraine then decides to take on a NATO country like Latvia or Belarus or the Middle East erupts into Armageddon.

Nuclear annihilation would sort out our sustainable energy worries quite quickly.