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  • #31
    Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

    Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Oh it's their policies too

    They deserve to be slung out for Rwanda alone

    Someone with not a lot of shape on them is badly organised , performs badly , late or doesn't turn up , makes excuses etc .......that's them all over .......a bit like VG and Welsh Labour at the moment

    Very badly delivered government

    With regard to socialism I am not a socialist more a liberal really but in the absence of the liberals running the country the labour party is the next best thing although far from perfect

    I would suggest you vote green , at least they will get your backing

    It seems daft not to vote even if no one party is attractive
    If you're not a socialist you've definitely got a better chance of avoiding disappointment with Starmer in charge.

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
      If you're not a socialist you've definitely got a better chance of avoiding disappointment with Starmer in charge.
      He's a technocratic authoritarian who believes the Davos elites should rule by fiat.

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      • #33
        Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

        Originally posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
        If you're not a socialist you've definitely got a better chance of avoiding disappointment with Starmer in charge.
        Socialism is daft

        The best to hope for is a modern government which tries to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country reasonably stable

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        • #34
          Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

          Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
          Socialism is daft

          The best to hope for is a modern government which tries to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country reasonably stable
          Surely all Govts are 'modern' by their very nature , even a Govt that wants to ban cars and go back to a horse and cart could be classed as modern thinkers as they would caring for the environment etc.

          All UK Govts that I have ever known want to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country stable. All countries were affected by covid, which removed about 10-15% of our economy almost over night. Taking care of the vulnerable is obvious , but making sure we dont bust the bank in the process is also important

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          • #35
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            Originally posted by pipster View Post
            even a Govt that wants to ban cars and go back to a horse and cart could be classed as modern thinkers as they would caring for the environment etc.
            Who knew The Flintstones was actually an instruction manual

            Originally posted by pipster View Post
            All countries were affected by covid, which removed about 10-15% of our economy almost over night.
            Weren't they talking about a great reset shortly before it happened?

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            • #36
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              Originally posted by Wales-Bales View Post
              Who knew The Flintstones was actually an instruction manual

              Weren't they talking about a great reset shortly before it happened?
              I believe David Icke was and a painter and decorator from Cowbridge. They will probably claim this as a prediction

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              • #37
                Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                Originally posted by pipster View Post
                Surely all Govts are 'modern' by their very nature , even a Govt that wants to ban cars and go back to a horse and cart could be classed as modern thinkers as they would caring for the environment etc.

                All UK Govts that I have ever known want to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country stable. All countries were affected by covid, which removed about 10-15% of our economy almost over night. Taking care of the vulnerable is obvious , but making sure we dont bust the bank in the process is also important
                All governments you have ever known have wanted to take care of the vulnerable ?

                You are having a laugh

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                • #38
                  Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                  Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                  All governments you have ever known have wanted to take care of the vulnerable ?

                  You are having a laugh
                  I would say for at least 100 years, yes. Obviously there is a range within that in terms of the extent of support and how it is done, but yes.

                  Who do you think didn't?

                  Let me guess..

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                  • #39
                    Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                    Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                    Socialism is daft

                    The best to hope for is a modern government which tries to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country reasonably stable
                    That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

                    It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                      Originally posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
                      That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

                      It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                        Originally posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
                        That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

                        It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.
                        But it is much better than the crap we have in charge at the moment.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                          Originally posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
                          That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

                          It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.
                          It's 2024 , I don't care about The Labour Party I just want a left of centre alternative to the Tories , merging Labour and the liberals would be the best option in my opinion

                          Heffer , Livingstone , Skinner were always part of the problem and gave the tories and press so much ammunition

                          You don't have to sing keep the red flag flying to want decent care for the vulnerable

                          In fact the Liberal Democrats have proposed far better investment in that area than The Labour Party

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by jeepster View Post
                            But it is much better than the crap we have in charge at the moment.
                            Yes it's going to be far from perfect

                            But if we all live in the past and don't let go of some ideals then the Tories will just continue to rule most of the time

                            Student Sixth Form Socialism

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                            • #44
                              Re: Institute For Fiscal Studies

                              Originally posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
                              That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

                              It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.
                              Skinner , Heffer , Benn , Abbott , Corbyn .......did a lot of talking at fringe meetings , at labour party conferences and in some cases on programmes like question time

                              Now wether the media stitched them up is another debate but the British people saw these representatives of the labour party as too extreme

                              So the labour party for much of my lifetime has achieved very little because we havnt been in power

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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                                Skinner , Heffer , Benn , Abbott , Corbyn .......did a lot of talking at fringe meetings , at labour party conferences and in some cases on programmes like question time

                                Now wether the media stitched them up is another debate but the British people saw these representatives of the labour party as too extreme

                                So the labour party for much of my lifetime has achieved very little because we havnt been in power
                                Skinner was an MP for 49 years. Tony Benn was an MP for 47 years. Diane Abbott has been an MP for 37 years. Jeremy Corbyn was a MP for 41 years. But yeah their constituents saw them as too extreme.

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