Institute For Fiscal Studies

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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Oh it's their policies too

They deserve to be slung out for Rwanda alone

Someone with not a lot of shape on them is badly organised , performs badly , late or doesn't turn up , makes excuses etc .......that's them all over .......a bit like VG and Welsh Labour at the moment

Very badly delivered government

With regard to socialism I am not a socialist more a liberal really but in the absence of the liberals running the country the labour party is the next best thing although far from perfect

I would suggest you vote green , at least they will get your backing

It seems daft not to vote even if no one party is attractive

If you're not a socialist you've definitely got a better chance of avoiding disappointment with Starmer in charge.

[Wales-Bales]

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If you're not a socialist you've definitely got a better chance of avoiding disappointment with Starmer in charge.

He's a technocratic authoritarian who believes the Davos elites should rule by fiat.

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If you're not a socialist you've definitely got a better chance of avoiding disappointment with Starmer in charge.

Socialism is daft

The best to hope for is a modern government which tries to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country reasonably stable

[pipster]

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Socialism is daft

The best to hope for is a modern government which tries to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country reasonably stable

Surely all Govts are 'modern' by their very nature , even a Govt that wants to ban cars and go back to a horse and cart could be classed as modern thinkers as they would caring for the environment etc.

All UK Govts that I have ever known want to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country stable. All countries were affected by covid, which removed about 10-15% of our economy almost over night. Taking care of the vulnerable is obvious , but making sure we dont bust the bank in the process is also important

[Wales-Bales]

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even a Govt that wants to ban cars and go back to a horse and cart could be classed as modern thinkers as they would caring for the environment etc.

Who knew The Flintstones was actually an instruction manual

All countries were affected by covid, which removed about 10-15% of our economy almost over night.

Weren't they talking about a great reset shortly before it happened?

[pipster]

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Who knew The Flintstones was actually an instruction manual

Weren't they talking about a great reset shortly before it happened?

I believe David Icke was and a painter and decorator from Cowbridge. They will probably claim this as a prediction

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Surely all Govts are 'modern' by their very nature , even a Govt that wants to ban cars and go back to a horse and cart could be classed as modern thinkers as they would caring for the environment etc.

All UK Govts that I have ever known want to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country stable. All countries were affected by covid, which removed about 10-15% of our economy almost over night. Taking care of the vulnerable is obvious , but making sure we dont bust the bank in the process is also important

All governments you have ever known have wanted to take care of the vulnerable ?

You are having a laugh

[JamesWales]

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All governments you have ever known have wanted to take care of the vulnerable ?

You are having a laugh

I would say for at least 100 years, yes. Obviously there is a range within that in terms of the extent of support and how it is done, but yes.

Who do you think didn't?

Let me guess..

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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Socialism is daft

The best to hope for is a modern government which tries to take care of the vulnerable and keep the country reasonably stable

That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

[jon1959]

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That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

[jeepster]

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That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

But it is much better than the crap we have in charge at the moment.

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That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

It's 2024 , I don't care about The Labour Party I just want a left of centre alternative to the Tories , merging Labour and the liberals would be the best option in my opinion

Heffer , Livingstone , Skinner were always part of the problem and gave the tories and press so much ammunition

You don't have to sing keep the red flag flying to want decent care for the vulnerable

In fact the Liberal Democrats have proposed far better investment in that area than The Labour Party

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But it is much better than the crap we have in charge at the moment.

Yes it's going to be far from perfect

But if we all live in the past and don't let go of some ideals then the Tories will just continue to rule most of the time

Student Sixth Form Socialism

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That's all very laudable. What I find unacceptable is that people who want the same as you have hijacked a socialist party to achieve it. I think you would accept that is very far away from what the party was established to achieve? Obviously parties and their policies have to evolve. But the Labour Party was changed out of all recognition by Blair and his ilk. That's not on.

It's a cliche I know but Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, Nye Bevan, Dennis Skinner, Eric Heffer, etc would all be appalled by what it's become. Jesus even Harold Winston, Barbara Castle and Jim Callaghan would.

Skinner , Heffer , Benn , Abbott , Corbyn .......did a lot of talking at fringe meetings , at labour party conferences and in some cases on programmes like question time

Now wether the media stitched them up is another debate but the British people saw these representatives of the labour party as too extreme

So the labour party for much of my lifetime has achieved very little because we havnt been in power

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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Skinner , Heffer , Benn , Abbott , Corbyn .......did a lot of talking at fringe meetings , at labour party conferences and in some cases on programmes like question time

Now wether the media stitched them up is another debate but the British people saw these representatives of the labour party as too extreme

So the labour party for much of my lifetime has achieved very little because we havnt been in power

Skinner was an MP for 49 years. Tony Benn was an MP for 47 years. Diane Abbott has been an MP for 37 years. Jeremy Corbyn was a MP for 41 years. But yeah their constituents saw them as too extreme.