20mph fatality reductions

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: 20mph fatality reductions

Encouraging figures, that have surprised me to be honest. While I still think there are roads that should go back to 30, this would appear to show that many/most remaining at 20 mph would be a good idea.

They are supposed to be encouraging because they are made-up propaganda don't fall for it use your common sense.

Listen to some of these idiots for too long and they'll have you back on donkeys.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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They are supposed to be encouraging because they are made-up propaganda don't fall for it use your common sense.

Listen to some of these idiots for too long and they'll have you back on donkeys.

F*ck off back to your other thread....otherwise we'll start chanting

[TWGL1]

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OK….but how did they come to that figure? Surely that’s an important part of the jigsaw? That figure has to have credibility. Or is it a skewed political point?

Probably a bit if both to be fair. I don’t mind it as I cycle fair distances as a hobby

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Probably a bit if both to be fair. I don’t mind it as I cycle fair distances as a hobby

Yes, I agree, I'm just highly sceptical of any figures from any party that are purely to push an agenda. I wish journalists would do their jobs and question the source, validity and means of calculation. In other words, ask some f*cking questions. But it seems that's a bit old fashioned!

[cyril evans awaydays]

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OK….but how did they come to that figure? Surely that’s an important part of the jigsaw? That figure has to have credibility. Or is it a skewed political point?

In fairness the figures came from Welsh Government's own analysis. However, the mid figure is £4.8 billion with a range of between £2.7 and £8.9. The Tories simply rounded up the highest figure and quoted it whenever possible.

The other thing they didn't quite mention was that the cost benefit analysis was done over a 30 year period so a most likely position of £160 million per annum.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-governments-report-says-20mph-25913398

edit. Journalists asking questions I guess

[Citizen's Nephew]

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In fairness the figures came from Welsh Government's own analysis. However, the mid figure is £4.8 billion with a range of between £2.7 and £8.9. The Tories simply rounded up the highest figure and quoted it whenever possible.

The other thing they didn't quite mention was that the cost benefit analysis was done over a 30 year period so a most likely position of £160 million per annum.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-governments-report-says-20mph-25913398

edit. Journalists asking questions I guess

Thanks for that Cyril.

I struggle to read the WOL site due to its formatting so I haven't read the entire piece.

Yes, it appears journalists have asked questions. I'm not sure if they are rhetorical (as in they are posing questions to the reader in the piece) or just how much any WOL journalist had pressed anyone specifically at the time. In all honesty, I don't care too much but I was quick to judge as too much reporting these days is simply regurgitating the press releases (they then get re-cycled in article after article until the 'source' is lost - from experience, this then means that if mistakes are made in the original source, they are not fact-checked and those mistakes are repeated ad infinitum all over the internet).

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Thanks for that Cyril.

I struggle to read the WOL site due to its formatting so I haven't read the entire piece.

Yes, it appears journalists have asked questions. I'm not sure if they are rhetorical (as in they are posing questions to the reader in the piece) or just how much any WOL journalist had pressed anyone specifically at the time. In all honesty, I don't care too much but I was quick to judge as too much reporting these days is simply regurgitating the press releases (they then get re-cycled in article after article until the 'source' is lost - from experience, this then means that if mistakes are made in the original source, they are not fact-checked and those mistakes are repeated ad infinitum all over the internet).

What I think is fair is questioning some of the journalism around the Tories' use of the £9 billion figure. I haven't seen much press push back on it. Here is a South Wales Argus report from a Trainee "Multi-Media Reporter" of a couple of months ago.

It includes the unchallenged statement

Ms Asghar has pointed out that the scheme has already cost the government billions and will continue to create chaos among the lives of people and companies across the country.

Which as we know because the cost benefit analysis was done over 30 years is total bollocks!

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/24299215.natasha-asghar-says-20mph-speed-limit-will-cost-economy-9bn/

[Citizen's Nephew]

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In fairness the figures came from Welsh Government's own analysis. However, the mid figure is £4.8 billion with a range of between £2.7 and £8.9. The Tories simply rounded up the highest figure and quoted it whenever possible.

The other thing they didn't quite mention was that the cost benefit analysis was done over a 30 year period so a most likely position of £160 million per annum.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-governments-report-says-20mph-25913398

edit. Journalists asking questions I guess

BTW...one of the worst cases of repeating mistakes from source articles I've read in recent years was one from The Times that referred to Walruses as indigenous to Antarctica. This showed up in a myriad of other pieces that were effectively copy-and-paste clones. Mrs C has a huge collection of these (articles not Walruses, sadly) and one of the worst culprits is Google. Specifically the landing page of search results which quite often gives an inaccurate answer to a question in the text below the source URL.

I have no idea if this is of any interest to you or even why I'm typing it out. I think it's the heat.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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BTW...one of the worst cases of repeating mistakes from source articles I've read in recent years was one from The Times that referred to Walruses as indigenous to Antarctica. This showed up in a myriad of other pieces that were effectively copy-and-paste clones. Mrs C has a huge collection of these (articles not Walruses, sadly) and one of the worst culprits is Google. Specifically the landing page of search results which quite often gives an inaccurate answer to a question in the text below the source URL.

I have no idea if this is of any interest to you or even why I'm typing it out. I think it's the heat.

When I go to Iceland for the Wales game in October I was hoping to see penguins. I can't believe you have shattered my plans by forcing me onto Google!

[The Bloop]

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When I go to Iceland for the Wales game in October I was hoping to see penguins. I can't believe you have shattered my plans by forcing me onto Google!

You'll still see them on Christmas cards with Santa though, despite them living, literally, poles apart.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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You'll still see them on Christmas cards with Santa though, despite them living, literally, poles apart.

I hate to break this to you TB but Santa's not real.

[The Bloop]

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I hate to break this to you TB but Santa's not real.

So whose lap did I sit on in David Morgan's 50 years ago, if it wasn't his?

[Dorcus]

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So whose lap did I sit on in David Morgan's 50 years ago, if it wasn't his?

I hope it wasn't Rolf Harris's

[Rjk]

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In fairness the figures came from Welsh Government's own analysis. However, the mid figure is £4.8 billion with a range of between £2.7 and £8.9. The Tories simply rounded up the highest figure and quoted it whenever possible.

The other thing they didn't quite mention was that the cost benefit analysis was done over a 30 year period so a most likely position of £160 million per annum.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-governments-report-says-20mph-25913398

edit. Journalists asking questions I guess

Seems bizarre to take this estimate out 30 years - we could all be carted around in self driving flying cars by then - or living underground in a post apocalyptic barren wasteland

[North Cardiff Blue]

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So whose lap did I sit on in David Morgan's 50 years ago, if it wasn't his?

Jimmy Savile's brother, Vince, who lived in Cardiff and worked for Radio Wales in the early days, was every bit as weird as his sibling.