Amsterdam Violence

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It's no good tel aviv fans crying wolf if they are going to wander round inner city Amsterdam with pro USA trump banners and set fire to Palestinian flags

Plague on both their houses

[JamesWales]

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I mean, the mayor of Amsterdam (from the Left-Green party btw) described the events as something from the city's past, like Nazi pogroms. I thought you liked Nazi references?!

People being set upon by 20 people and having to lie about where they are from to hide their Jewishness. WTF?!

I have no doubt there was some obnoxious Maccabi Tel Aviv fans there, but it seems clear to me who was most in the wrong.

Even you equating a "pro USA" banner in Netherlands to people having their heads kicked in is pretty bizarre.

As all of us know, it is often the case in football hooliganism that some victims are not always entirely innocent but that doesn't justify everything and what clearly some very serious events occured last night

[Dorcus]

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It's no good tel aviv fans crying wolf if they are going to wander round inner city Amsterdam with pro USA trump banners and set fire to Palestinian flags

Plague on both their houses

You really can't expect to be able to set fire to other people's flags and not face consequences. At least, not outside Israel. I think these Maccabi hooligans thought they'd get protection from Ajax fans because they're pro Jewish: but they were wrong.

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I mean, the mayor of Amsterdam (from the Left-Green party btw) described the events as something from the city's past, like Nazi pogroms. I thought you liked Nazi references?!

People being set upon by 20 people and having to lie about where they are from to hide their Jewishness. WTF?!

I have no doubt there was some obnoxious Maccabi Tel Aviv fans there, but it seems clear to me who was most in the wrong.

Even you equating a "pro USA" banner in Netherlands to people having their heads kicked in is pretty bizarre.

As all of us know, it is often the case in football hooliganism that some victims are not always entirely innocent but that doesn't justify everything and what clearly some very serious events occured last night

The tel aviv fans went over there and have been on the wrong side of a kicking

It's fair to say they provoked much of it with their burning of Palestinian flags and the trump kiss arsing

They have form for this

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You really can't expect to be able to set fire to other people's flags and not face consequences. At least, not outside Israel. I think these Maccabi hooligans thought they'd get protection from Ajax fans because they're pro Jewish: but they were wrong.

Well known for a bit of argy bargy

[JamesWales]

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You really can't expect to be able to set fire to other people's flags and not face consequences. At least, not outside Israel. I think these Maccabi hooligans thought they'd get protection from Ajax fans because they're pro Jewish: but they were wrong.

How can you not see how bad what you are writing here?

If someone sets fire to a Palestinian Flag that is of course a deeply ignorant, stupid and insensitive thing to do and it provokes a reaction. The person doing it it to blame.

That doesn't justify hunting down and beating up entirely different sets of people because they are Israeli or Jewish.

If a Muslim guy burnt the British flag it doesn't mean a bunch of people are justified to go around hunting down and beating up random Muslims. It's no different.

Seriously, wtf?!

Read the room. The mayor of Amsterdam herself has labelled it antisemitic. You are allowed to criticise casual random racist attacks against people. It doesn't change your wider views on the conflict.

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I mean, the mayor of Amsterdam (from the Left-Green party btw) described the events as something from the city's past, like Nazi pogroms. I thought you liked Nazi references?!

People being set upon by 20 people and having to lie about where they are from to hide their Jewishness. WTF?!

I have no doubt there was some obnoxious Maccabi Tel Aviv fans there, but it seems clear to me who was most in the wrong.

Even you equating a "pro USA" banner in Netherlands to people having their heads kicked in is pretty bizarre.

As all of us know, it is often the case in football hooliganism that some victims are not always entirely innocent but that doesn't justify everything and what clearly some very serious events occured last night

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyge1587e5t?post=asset%3Aca34d775-9f0c-4493-82c4-cfe9b86080c4#post

I know that you always side with the right terms of over here , in the middle east , in America etc


But that's what was running earlier

I don't care wether it was 60 percent Palestinian extremists , 40 percent Israeli IDF hangers on

The fans of tel aviv have history for intolerance of Arabs including abusing their own players of Arab origin

If you want to ignore the burning of a Palestinian flag , racial insults towards Arabs and idiots in a very sensitive area walking around with pro US flags then thats your perogative , you probably need to complain to the BBC reporting this

[Wales-Bales]

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It's fair to say they provoked much of it with their burning of Palestinian flags and the trump kiss arsing

Are you 100% certain that it wasn't agent provocateurs who were setting the scene?

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Are you 100% certain that it wasn't agent provocateurs who were setting the scene?

Well I am pretty sure that the BBC will be able to verify your claim

[Wales-Bales]

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Well I am pretty sure that the BBC will be able to verify your claim

So they arrested them and verified that they were tel aviv fans?

[Dorcus]

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How can you not see how bad what you are writing here?

If someone sets fire to a Palestinian Flag that is of course a deeply ignorant, stupid and insensitive thing to do and it provokes a reaction. The person doing it it to blame.

That doesn't justify hunting down and beating up entirely different sets of people because they are Israeli or Jewish.

If a Muslim guy burnt the British flag it doesn't mean a bunch of people are justified to go around hunting down and beating up random Muslims. It's no different.

Seriously, wtf?!

Read the room. The mayor of Amsterdam herself has labelled it antisemitic. You are allowed to criticise casual random racist attacks against people. It doesn't change your wider views on the conflict.

Are you ok?

What the heck is bad about saying it's quite likely that burning a flag is likely to provoke violence? That has happened for time immemorial. Who on Earth is justifying any violence? I certainly am not just like I condemn the murder of the Innocents in Gaza.

There is no place for violence anywhere but in this case there is no case either for idiots to burn flags in other people's countries.

Give your head a wobble

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So they arrested them and verified that they were tel aviv fans?

It's of no surprise that you are questioning the BBC or myself indeed on this matter

However if we are to have a new world order that means every news item is to be verified then let's have it here

It appears that the BBC are reporting tel aviv fans racially abusing Arabs and burning a Palestinian flag

You have questioned this , suggesting foul play , as it were

The BBC are also reporting anti Jewish attacks on tel aviv fans

I believe that those attacks happened

I am not asking for forensic verification of these anti Semitic attacks

But if someone asks if you think these anti Semitic attacks were set up by pro Jewish groups ......what is your view ?

It's all utter nonsense really

[Wales-Bales]

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It's of no surprise that you are questioning the BBC or myself indeed on this matter

However if we are to have a new world order that means every news item is to be verified then let's have it here

It appears that the BBC are reporting tel aviv fans racially abusing Arabs and burning a Palestinian flag

You have questioned this , suggesting foul play , as it were

The BBC are also reporting anti Jewish attacks on tel aviv fans

I believe that those attacks happened

I am not asking for forensic verification of these anti Semitic attacks

But if someone asks if you think these anti Semitic attacks were set up by pro Jewish groups ......what is your view ?

It's all utter nonsense really

I'm just asking a logical question because it is a known way of kicking things off, and in some cases undercover operatives are involved, so there is no need for your "either with us or against us" spiel.

[JamesWales]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyg...9b86080c4#post

I know that you always side with the right terms of over here , in the middle east , in America etc


But that's what was running earlier

I don't care wether it was 60 percent Palestinian extremists , 40 percent Israeli IDF hangers on

The fans of tel aviv have history for intolerance of Arabs including abusing their own players of Arab origin

If you want to ignore the burning of a Palestinian flag , racial insults towards Arabs and idiots in a very sensitive area walking around with pro US flags then thats your perogative , you probably need to complain to the BBC reporting this

If being against random Jews makes someone right wing then yes I will side with them.

Who the hell are you siding with?

Honestly the state of this thread!

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I'm just asking a logical question because it is a known way of kicking things off, and in some cases undercover operatives are involved, so there is no need for your "either with us or against us" spiel.

I think it might be a logical question in your brain but not mine

I think you are talking nonsense

If it's proven to be factual I will hold my hand up