Amsterdam Violence

[JamesWales]

Re: Amsterdam Violence

Meanwhile back on planet earth, the Dutch police are looking for upto 30 people for the violence that some of you seem hellbent on trying to imply didn't happen. Make sure you send the video in chaps.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/rellen-amsterdam-maccabi-tel-aviv~bae84eed/

"Van Weel 'very happy' that suspect turned himself in, warns others
One of the five people who were blurred out on Opsporing Verzocht on Tuesday has turned himself in to the police. Minister of Justice David van Weel (VVD) says he is 'very happy' about this. He urges the other four suspects to do the same. The five are suspected of having committed serious violence in the aftermath of the Ajax - Maccabi Tel Aviv match.

The other four suspects 'still have a few hours, otherwise they will probably be shown unblurred tonight', Van Weel said before the cabinet meeting today. 'I think it is better for the people that they are not shown in their full glory on national television.' It was previously announced that the unblurred messages will be shown on Friday evening at half past eight.

In addition to these five suspects, the Public Prosecution Service has 'almost thirty people in its sights' who are said to have been involved in the violence. In addition, three people are now in custody, Van Weel reports. 'The goal is to track them all down."

[JamesWales]

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I certainly agree that anti-Jewish attacks on entirely innocent people are to be condemned and, although some of the Israelis certainly provoked a reaction, in an ideal world, people could have shown more restraint.

However, I wonder if you would agree that the wanton slaughter of innocent children and blatant genocide are not useful tactics for Israel to adopt to foster more congenial attitudes towards its people?

We are absolutely I agreement on the first paragraph!

The second paragraph is an entirely different and much larger argument. It goes without saying that wars radicalise people. It doesn't make violence against random people acceptable.

There is already a very comprehensive thread on the war more generally. Not sure there is the need for another one?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I found it sickening last night in Paris that for a routine football event the French president made a point of attending the game in an official capacity. Also the Star of David was allowed to be displayed in the stadium but not the Palestinian flag. That's gross hypocrisy. Also when the Israeli anthem was being played it was loudly booed but, what did the French authorities do; they turned the sound of the anthem up louder. Classic suppression of protest. That's totally undemocratic.

Gutter level stuff

[Dorcus]

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We are absolutely I agreement on the first paragraph!

The second paragraph is an entirely different and much larger argument. It goes without saying that wars radicalise people. It doesn't make violence against random people acceptable.

There is already a very comprehensive thread on the war more generally. Not sure there is the need for another one?

I just wanted your opinion in summary

[Dorcus]

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Meanwhile back on planet earth, the Dutch police are looking for upto 30 people for the violence that some of you seem hellbent on trying to imply didn't happen. Make sure you send the video in chaps.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/rellen-amsterdam-maccabi-tel-aviv~bae84eed/

"Van Weel 'very happy' that suspect turned himself in, warns others
One of the five people who were blurred out on Opsporing Verzocht on Tuesday has turned himself in to the police. Minister of Justice David van Weel (VVD) says he is 'very happy' about this. He urges the other four suspects to do the same. The five are suspected of having committed serious violence in the aftermath of the Ajax - Maccabi Tel Aviv match.

The other four suspects 'still have a few hours, otherwise they will probably be shown unblurred tonight', Van Weel said before the cabinet meeting today. 'I think it is better for the people that they are not shown in their full glory on national television.' It was previously announced that the unblurred messages will be shown on Friday evening at half past eight.

In addition to these five suspects, the Public Prosecution Service has 'almost thirty people in its sights' who are said to have been involved in the violence. In addition, three people are now in custody, Van Weel reports. 'The goal is to track them all down."

How many of those "almost 30 people" are Israelis I wonder

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We are absolutely I agreement on the first paragraph!

The second paragraph is an entirely different and much larger argument. It goes without saying that wars radicalise people. It doesn't make violence against random people acceptable.

There is already a very comprehensive thread on the war more generally. Not sure there is the need for another one?

Well this one has definitely flushed you out so I suppose having to wade through all your rubbish has made it worth it

A chance was here for you to put your hands up but you simply can't do it and off you go again on another yeah but no jog

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Amsterdam Violence

Meanwhile back on planet earth, the Dutch police are looking for upto 30 people for the violence that some of you seem hellbent on trying to imply didn't happen. Make sure you send the video in chaps.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/rellen-amsterdam-maccabi-tel-aviv~bae84eed/

"Van Weel 'very happy' that suspect turned himself in, warns others
One of the five people who were blurred out on Opsporing Verzocht on Tuesday has turned himself in to the police. Minister of Justice David van Weel (VVD) says he is 'very happy' about this. He urges the other four suspects to do the same. The five are suspected of having committed serious violence in the aftermath of the Ajax - Maccabi Tel Aviv match.

The other four suspects 'still have a few hours, otherwise they will probably be shown unblurred tonight', Van Weel said before the cabinet meeting today. 'I think it is better for the people that they are not shown in their full glory on national television.' It was previously announced that the unblurred messages will be shown on Friday evening at half past eight.

In addition to these five suspects, the Public Prosecution Service has 'almost thirty people in its sights' who are said to have been involved in the violence. In addition, three people are now in custody, Van Weel reports. 'The goal is to track them all down."

You have forgotten ! ......to include 10 tel aviv fans arrested

Planet Earth

[Dorcus]

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Well this one has definitely flushed you out so I suppose having to wade through all your rubbish has made it worth it

A chance was here for you to put your hands up but you simply can't do it and off you go again on another yeah but no jog

I noticed he squirmed at my second paragraph. I just wonder what compassionate human being could disagree with it.

[JamesWales]

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I just wanted your opinion in summary

I think Israel's tactics will make the conflict go on for longer and clearly builds resentment. I also think that Hamas are repugnant and hide amongst their own people whom they have zero regard whatsoever for. I also think they could have saved thousands of lives by releasing hostages or of course not committing the atrocity in the first place. It's a near impossible situation, although I think Israel has overstepped the mark. Who is ultimately responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people? I would say Hamas indirectly and Israel directly.

But it is very hard to find a solution isn't it. What would you suggest that both sides and regional partners and neighbouring countries are happy with?

[JamesWales]

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Well this one has definitely flushed you out so I suppose having to wade through all your rubbish has made it worth it

A chance was here for you to put your hands up but you simply can't do it and off you go again on another yeah but no jog

Hands up to what? The police arrested 60 people. They are actively seeking 30.

You should turn up to the Amsterdam police station with your videos and see what they say.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I noticed he squirmed at my second paragraph. I just wonder what compassionate human being could disagree with it.

James Netanyahu Wales

[Dorcus]

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I think Israel's tactics will make the conflict go on for longer and clearly builds resentment. I also think that Hamas are repugnant and hide amongst their own people whom they have zero regard whatsoever for. I also think they could have saved thousands of lives by releasing hostages or of course not committing the atrocity in the first place. It's a near impossible situation, although I think Israel has overstepped the mark. Who is ultimately responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people? I would say Hamas indirectly and Israel directly.

But it is very hard to find a solution isn't it. What would you suggest that both sides and regional partners and neighbouring countries are happy with?

No it's not hard to find a solution at all. World governments should stop arming Israel forthwith, stop giving it succour by publicly endorsing it's policies and drag it forthwith to an international summit including the regional powers to put an end to the fighting and ensure a political settlement.

[JamesWales]

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James Netanyahu Wales

Yes Sludge Squealer Factory. Agreeing with the authorities that there were antisemitic attacks clearly makes them Benjamin Netenyahu. Just like acknowledging an asylum seeker hotel was tried to be set on fire makes you Sadam Hussain.

[JamesWales]

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No it's not hard to find a solution at all. World governments should stop arming Israel forthwith, stop giving it succour by publicly endorsing it's policies and drag it forthwith to an international summit including the regional powers to put an end to the fighting and ensure a political settlement.

Easy to say. Harder to do.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Hands up to what? The police arrested 60 people. They are actively seeking 30.

You should turn up to the Amsterdam police station with your videos and see what they say.

I know 2 things

Either when you are presented with a decent moderate article like the Guardian piece posted by Jon1959 you dont read it......yet pretend you have .....and even in the face of clear unbiased reporting you don't read such reports ....and are therefore a fake

Or you do read it and you are an idiot which is beyond doubt

I don't think I have ever conversed with anyone as pig ignorant and stubborn and utterly full of brass neck as you on here

And given I can be a fanny at times , that's no compliment

Please continue making an arse of yourself in this and other mindless twaddle either led by or contributed to by you

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