Question for all the right wingers on here

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Genuine question and please keep on point to it, what is it about politics of the left that you hate so much?

[Heathblue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

Genuine question and please keep on point to it, what is it about politics of the left that you hate so much?

How do you define a right winger ?

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

Genuine question and please keep on point to it, what is it about politics of the left that you hate so much?

Why do you consider pointing out fake news to be hate when it's merely an intellectual exercise?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

No answers yet, then.

[JamesWales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

I doubt people "hate" the left. Although that interpretation, which fits in with the need for constant division, hyperbole, sectarianism in beliefs etc is possibly something that sometimes grates.

This is of course a trait that applies across the spectrum, but the left are less likely to recognise it when they do it and that can be annoying.

A bit like last week in a post when one of the left of centre chaps on here said he wanted the hate filled idiot (in this case Musk) to be six foot under.

I genuinely really dislike political hatred. It's easy to slip into, and we are guilty of stirring the pot sometimes but I do wish the rhetoric were turned down on all sides and that people recognised it's all sides instead of thinking they are exempt.

So yeah, I would frame the question differently. It's probably more a case of why people think there are better solutions to problems than left wing ones sometimes.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

No answers yet, then.

You'll have to ask a right winger.

[Heathblue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

You'll have to ask a right winger.

I'm still waiting for his definition to see if I fit.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

I don’t think that there is a True Left or Right anymore.

I’ve long been somewhat politically homeless as the left as I knew it gave up the working class in a hard exchange for intersectionality.

The working class are sneered at by sanctimonious Guardianista’s in my opinion and I view Emily Thornberry and her “White Van Man” rhetoric as the epitome of the modern left.

I believe that the modern left hate country states, particularly those in the UK and it was magnified after Brexit.
I absolutely despise the snarkiness of many that think that they know better.

We are going to see the Overton Window shift dramatically and I fear that the modern left are going to have a lot to answer for regarding that swing.

I can’t deny that there is an element of schadenfreude that I have towards the likes of you Eric, but I really hope that the pendulum doesn’t go equidistant on its swing the other way.

I’ve worried about it for years and people like you have just scoffed and accused genuine people of being right wing.

I’m not, never have been or never will be.

I’m a realist though and am concerned about the back swing and would like to put up a crash mat in the centre of this pendulums momentum.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

I don’t think that there is a True Left or Right anymore.

I’ve long been somewhat politically homeless as the left as I knew it gave up the working class in a hard exchange for intersectionality.

The working class are sneered at by sanctimonious Guardianista’s in my opinion and I view Emily Thornberry and her “White Van Man” rhetoric as the epitome of the modern left.

I believe that the modern left hate country states, particularly those in the UK and it was magnified after Brexit.
I absolutely despise the snarkiness of many that think that they know better.

We are going to see the Overton Window shift dramatically and I fear that the modern left are going to have a lot to answer for regarding that swing.

I can’t deny that there is an element of schadenfreude that I have towards the likes of you Eric, but I really hope that the pendulum doesn’t go equidistant on its swing the other way.

I’ve worried about it for years and people like you have just scoffed and accused genuine people of being right wing.

I’m not, never have been or never will be.

I’m a realist though and am concerned about the back swing and would like to put up a crash mat in the centre of this pendulums momentum.

When has there been a time when "the left" has held sway on the global stage? Back in the late nineties, we had Clinton and Blair in power so I'd suggest that is the closest we've come to it. but were they and their Governments really left wing? I suppose by today's standards they are, but then they're the standards that see Kamala Harris labelled as a communist and Starmer as being in the posket of union "barons" who are his "paymasters".

You say you don't want to see the pendulum go "equidistant on it's swing the other way". Strange, because all I've seen since the 2008 crash is a pendulum that has been headed in a rightward direction until we reach the current situation where it's almost done a full circle and is starting off on a second lap.

[goats]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

How do you define a right winger ?

Sludge still hiding? He knows all about them….

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

You'll have to ask a right winger.

You for a start. You never said a word about domestic politics when we had the party that Robert Jenrick wants to lead in charge for fourteen years, yet you haven't stopped posting critical stuff about the current Government since they came in six months ago. You're just one of a group of oldish men on here who have made the traditional lifelong journey from left to right with the added qualification that because the boomer generation have not lived through the horrors of a world war, the shift to the right seems to have been more marked.

In many ways, I don't like having to take the sort of position I have in this thread because I've got little time for the parties of Biden and Starmer these days, but the alternatives to their right are becoming frightening - the parallels with the 1930s are becoming imore marked with the passing of every year.

[Heathblue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

You for a start. You never said a word about domestic politics when we had the party that Robert Jenrick wants to lead in charge for fourteen years, yet you haven't stopped posting critical stuff about the current Government since they came in six months ago. You're just one of a group of oldish men on here who have made the traditional lifelong journey from left to right with the added qualification that because the boomer generation have not lived through the horrors of a world war, the shift to the right seems to have been more marked.

In many ways, I don't like having to take the sort of position I have in this thread because I've got little time for the parties of Biden and Starmer these days, but the alternatives to their right are becoming frightening - the parallels with the 1930s are becoming imore marked with the passing of every year.

Unlike the poster who started the thread, you have at least had the bollox to respond, big respect for that, I do agree with some of your analogy so would fall into some of what you say which is why i was looking for a definition, i'm currently WFH so dont have much time at the moment but will respond (in peace) !!! later this evening.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

When has there been a time when "the left" has held sway on the global stage? Back in the late nineties, we had Clinton and Blair in power so I'd suggest that is the closest we've come to it. but were they and their Governments really left wing? I suppose by today's standards they are, but then they're the standards that see Kamala Harris labelled as a communist and Starmer as being in the posket of union "barons" who are his "paymasters".

You say you don't want to see the pendulum go "equidistant on it's swing the other way". Strange, because all I've seen since the 2008 crash is a pendulum that has been headed in a rightward direction until we reach the current situation where it's almost done a full circle and is starting off on a second lap.

It's been a uniparty since 1997.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

You for a start. You never said a word about domestic politics when we had the party that Robert Jenrick wants to lead in charge for fourteen years, yet you haven't stopped posting critical stuff about the current Government since they came in six months ago. You're just one of a group of oldish men on here who have made the traditional lifelong journey from left to right with the added qualification that because the boomer generation have not lived through the horrors of a world war, the shift to the right seems to have been more marked.

In many ways, I don't like having to take the sort of position I have in this thread because I've got little time for the parties of Biden and Starmer these days, but the alternatives to their right are becoming frightening - the parallels with the 1930s are becoming imore marked with the passing of every year.

I have only ever voted for Labour, so I feel I have a right to critique them. Starmer vs Trump will be an interesting left/right experiment for the everyday people.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

When has there been a time when "the left" has held sway on the global stage? Back in the late nineties, we had Clinton and Blair in power so I'd suggest that is the closest we've come to it. but were they and their Governments really left wing? I suppose by today's standards they are, but then they're the standards that see Kamala Harris labelled as a communist and Starmer as being in the posket of union "barons" who are his "paymasters".

You say you don't want to see the pendulum go "equidistant on it's swing the other way". Strange, because all I've seen since the 2008 crash is a pendulum that has been headed in a rightward direction until we reach the current situation where it's almost done a full circle and is starting off on a second lap.

I would say that regardless of who has been in Number 10 or The Whitehouse, the last 15 years have seen an enormous rise in the left’s influence.

The absolute mental stage where we find ourselves today has been a result of liberal/progressive institutions stamping their authority on all aspects of Western culture, where everything all of a sudden had to be viewed through the lens of oppression.

Lo and behold…articles pop up like Maths and the Countryside are Racist.
People who express concern regarding mass immigration into Europe are considered far right.
People who are concerned about the exponential growth and influence of Islam in the West are considered fascists.
Long standing scientific facts and language has been ripped up and we have to accept it as the new normal.

This zeitgeist has been wearing no clothes for a long time and people have had an absolute gutsful of it…hence the rise in populism.