Question for all the right wingers on here

[+ the native hipster]

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Genuine question and please keep on point to it, what is it about politics of the left that you hate so much?

do you mean ,why don't i want communism ?

[the other bob wilson]

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I would say that regardless of who has been in Number 10 or The Whitehouse, the last 15 years have seen an enormous rise in the left’s influence.

The absolute mental stage where we find ourselves today has been a result of liberal/progressive institutions stamping their authority on all aspects of Western culture, where everything all of a sudden had to be viewed through the lens of oppression.

Lo and behold…articles pop up like Maths and the Countryside are Racist.
People who express concern regarding mass immigration into Europe are considered far right.
People who are concerned about the exponential growth and influence of Islam in the West are considered fascists.
Long standing scientific facts and language has been ripped up and we have to accept it as the new normal.

This zeitgeist has been wearing no clothes for a long time and people have had an absolute gutsful of it…hence the rise in populism.

If you mean that a move towards more tolerance for and of some minorities is solely down to the left, then I'd agree that there has been an increase in its influence in the last fifteen years. I think that's a good thing actually, don't you?

The Daily Mail and other unashamedly right wing sections of the media used to drone on about "political correctness gone mad" thirty and forty years ago as they railed against the EU and all that has happened in the intervening years is that political correctness gone mad has gradually been replaced by "anti woke" which, in some places at least, carries more sinister undertones. However, it is essentially the right whingeing against developments taking place at the time - the difference this time is that whereas political correctness gone mad was a fairly loose and harmless term, anti woke has become more mainstream and generally accepted because of the rightward swing of the pendulum I mentioned in a previous post.

As for your list of examples of the "enormous rise in the left's influence", I've never heard of claims that Maths and the Countryside are racist - are they part of any left wing party's official policy? You mention "articles", are they written by people in a position to affect the policy of Governments or are they just opinion pieces? Outlandish articles on the left and right have been written for decades, if not centuries, but shouldn't be taken for policy.

Your second and third examples are essentially the same thing. I'm not looking to excuse some of the excesses of a proportion of those on the left when it comes to how they view immigration, but I would say that they hear some of the anti minority views of the likes of Orban and Erdogan and want to show their opposition to such opinions. Add in the number of countries where the nationalist right are closer to forming a Government than at any time since the Second World War and the left will want to present another side to the argument against thinking which is diametrically opposed to their own. The fact that these right wing, often far right wing, parties are on the rise is proof of the swing to the populist right which has been going on for at least a decade, but I maintain has its roots in the 2008 financial crisis.

Again, I'm not sure what you mean by your fourth point, but I suspect climate change is involved somewhere in it, so I'll just post this link for someone out of the usual suspects on here to tell us the experts and scientists have got it wrong and they know better

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7575x8yq5o

We live in a time where the elite which is actually trying to control the American Government for the next four years are deciding that there is no longer any need for fact checking - more evidence of the ever rightward direction of your pendulum.

[stevo]

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It's certainly easier these days to understand how Nazi Germany started.

[TWGL1]

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It's certainly easier these days to understand how Nazi Germany started.

Are you talking about how the public turned on their neighbours during Covid here and how unvaccinated people were vilified

[Rjk]

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If you mean that a move towards more tolerance for and of some minorities is solely down to the left, then I'd agree that there has been an increase in its influence in the last fifteen years. I think that's a good thing actually, don't you?

The Daily Mail and other unashamedly right wing sections of the media used to drone on about "political correctness gone mad" thirty and forty years ago as they railed against the EU and all that has happened in the intervening years is that political correctness gone mad has gradually been replaced by "anti woke" which, in some places at least, carries more sinister undertones. However, it is essentially the right whingeing against developments taking place at the time - the difference this time is that whereas political correctness gone mad was a fairly loose and harmless term, anti woke has become more mainstream and generally accepted because of the rightward swing of the pendulum I mentioned in a previous post.

As for your list of examples of the "enormous rise in the left's influence", I've never heard of claims that Maths and the Countryside are racist - are they part of any left wing party's official policy? You mention "articles", are they written by people in a position to affect the policy of Governments or are they just opinion pieces? Outlandish articles on the left and right have been written for decades, if not centuries, but shouldn't be taken for policy.

Your second and third examples are essentially the same thing. I'm not looking to excuse some of the excesses of a proportion of those on the left when it comes to how they view immigration, but I would say that they hear some of the anti minority views of the likes of Orban and Erdogan and want to show their opposition to such opinions. Add in the number of countries where the nationalist right are closer to forming a Government than at any time since the Second World War and the left will want to present another side to the argument against thinking which is diametrically opposed to their own. The fact that these right wing, often far right wing, parties are on the rise is proof of the swing to the populist right which has been going on for at least a decade, but I maintain has its roots in the 2008 financial crisis.

Again, I'm not sure what you mean by your fourth point, but I suspect climate change is involved somewhere in it, so I'll just post this link for someone out of the usual suspects on here to tell us the experts and scientists have got it wrong and they know better

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7575x8yq5o

We live in a time where the elite which is actually trying to control the American Government for the next four years are deciding that there is no longer any need for fact checking - more evidence of the ever rightward direction of your pendulum.

One bog similarity of the "political correctness gone mad" and "anti woke" movements (if you can call them that) is that so much of what they rail against is entirely imagined.

you can't say merry christmas any more
schools have litter trays for kids who identify as cats etc etc

[stevo]

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you can't say merry christmas any more
schools have litter trays for kids who identify as cats etc etc

Sounds like something Trump would say.

[JamesWales]

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It's certainly easier these days to understand how Nazi Germany started.

Unfortunately the evidence suggests otherwise!

[JamesWales]

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One bog similarity of the "political correctness gone mad" and "anti woke" movements (if you can call them that) is that so much of what they rail against is entirely imagined.

you can't say merry christmas any more
schools have litter trays for kids who identify as cats etc etc

They are of course extreme examples. But it is the case that in a time of austerity, spending on what in America is generally called "DEI" has greatly increased, with no discernable success, whilst arguably contributing to racial conflict as opposed to solving it. People who are seeing bills increasing and services declining are allowed to object to that.

I think the general feeling is that things have "gone too far" and I think that too. It's not good, it has impacted upon the public discourse, it has fuelled more polarized times and I think a row back is a good thing and will happen.

Likewise, we live in an era when we are essentially told that our racial or sexual or gender characteristics (ie things we can't control) are our defining features. This is the opposite to when I was growing up when I think progress on race relations was vastly better than now.

There are laws against racial discrimination. Beyond that I don't think we need as much intervention as it can produce more negative than positive outcomes.

Liberalism more generally however absolutely should be praised for encouraging a more tolerant opinion of sexuality, gender etc. Small c (and big C for that matter) conservative views on sexuality that were prevalent a few decades ago seem absolutely absurd now. Even the idea that two men can't marry seems preposterously unfair. I'm not sure this is really a left/right thing per se, but on gay rights etc the left have been absolutely a driving force for good.

[stevo]

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Unfortunately the evidence suggests otherwise!

Okay, well I was only speaking for myself :-)

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That's very true

These days , if you say you are English , they throw you in jail

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Sounds like something Trump would say.

If you say you are English these days .....they arrest you

And throw you in Jail

Unbelievable really

But it's true

[Dorcus]

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That's very true

These days , if you say you are English , they throw you in jail

Great to have you back 👍

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Great to have you back ��

Kayrdiff

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Kayrdiff

Welcome back:xmasayatollah:

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Welcome back:xmasayatollah:

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