Question for all the right wingers on here

[+ the native hipster]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

Well, there's a teaser.

A higher tax band for higher earners is 'left'. Angst that rich twats will take their ill-gotten gains to a different jurisdiction where they will pay less tax (as if they don't anyway) is 'right'. How we missed Phil Collins! Describing a desire for redistribution and equality as 'the politics of hate and envy' is capital letters 'RIGHT'.

Together you are strong
Divided you are weak
"Lenin"

fair play that nice mr lenin was very considerate to anyone who wasn't ''together''

[JamesWales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

Well, there's a teaser.

A higher tax band for higher earners is 'left'. Angst that rich twats will take their ill-gotten gains to a different jurisdiction where they will pay less tax (as if they don't anyway) is 'right'. How we missed Phil Collins! Describing a desire for redistribution and equality as 'the politics of hate and envy' is capital letters 'RIGHT'.

Together you are strong
Divided you are weak
"Lenin"

A higher tax for higher earners isn't really a left-wing idea. It's pretty across the board and I think the income tax rates in communist countries were typically the same irrespective of income, although I'm sure thats not universal. The top rate of tax under the Tories was also higher than under Blair's Labour.

The issue here though is how to get the tax rate right to maximise income for the state. Tax the "rich twats" too much and they **** off, or don't bother to invest. So it's getting the level right.

I'm not sure calling people rich twats and quoting Lenin is the best arguments to demonstrate a lack of hatred, but there we go.

Can confirm I definitely didn't miss Phil Collins!

[jon1959]

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A higher tax for higher earners isn't really a left-wing idea. It's pretty across the board and I think the income tax rates in communist countries were typically the same irrespective of income, although I'm sure thats not universal. The top rate of tax under the Tories was also higher than under Blair's Labour.

The issue here though is how to get the tax rate right to maximise income for the state. Tax the "rich twats" too much and they **** off, or don't bother to invest. So it's getting the level right.

I'm not sure calling people rich twats and quoting Lenin is the best arguments to demonstrate a lack of hatred, but there we go.

Can confirm I definitely didn't miss Phil Collins!

I don't miss Phil Collins either - although I'm not sure he flounced when he said he would (after the 1997 election).

Also I didn't quote Lenin. The words are supposed to be from Q - the alt right shaman much beloved by some on here (and name dropped for a reaction by Heath). It just amused me to pretend Vladimir Ilych was the source (because it sounds credible).

I wonder how all those countries with higher tax rates (personal and corporate) than the UK manage to survive? A quick google check throws up most of Scandinavia, half a dozen European states that seem to be doing fine, and a few East Asian success stories. Maybe the tax rates are not the whole story? Maybe there are other reasons people choose to work and pay tax in a particular country? Maybe where there is more of a collectivist culture and an experience of good quality infrastructure and public services even the rich twats choose to stay and join in?

[+ the native hipster]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

I don't miss Phil Collins either - although I'm not sure he flounced when he said he would (after the 1997 election).

Also I didn't quote Lenin. The words are supposed to be from Q - the alt right shaman much beloved by some on here (and name dropped for a reaction by Heath). It just amused me to pretend Vladimir Ilych was the source (because it sounds credible).

I wonder how all those countries with higher tax rates (personal and corporate) than the UK manage to survive? A quick google check throws up most of Scandinavia, half a dozen European states that seem to be doing fine, and a few East Asian success stories. Maybe the tax rates are not the whole story? Maybe there are other reasons people choose to work and pay tax in a particular country? Maybe where there is more of a collectivist culture and an experience of good quality infrastructure and public services even the rich twats choose to stay and join in?

are Scandinavian countries realising mass immigration is not good for them ? sure i read it in the granead

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

You for a start. You never said a word about domestic politics when we had the party that Robert Jenrick wants to lead in charge for fourteen years, yet you haven't stopped posting critical stuff about the current Government since they came in six months ago. You're just one of a group of oldish men on here who have made the traditional lifelong journey from left to right with the added qualification that because the boomer generation have not lived through the horrors of a world war, the shift to the right seems to have been more marked.

In many ways, I don't like having to take the sort of position I have in this thread because I've got little time for the parties of Biden and Starmer these days, but the alternatives to their right are becoming frightening - the parallels with the 1930s are becoming imore marked with the passing of every year.

[jon1959]

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are Scandinavian countries realising mass immigration is not good for them ? sure i read it in the granead

The point is: 'are they seeing mass emigration of very high earners', and if so why has that not caused the economic disaster that some predict in the UK if tax rates are high.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

Well, there's a teaser.

A higher tax band for higher earners is 'left'. Angst that rich twats will take their ill-gotten gains to a different jurisdiction where they will pay less tax (as if they don't anyway) is 'right'. How we missed Phil Collins! Describing a desire for redistribution and equality as 'the politics of hate and envy' is capital letters 'RIGHT'.

Together you are strong
Divided you are weak
"Lenin"

Can't see a doctor ? That's because most work 3 days a week, a few 4. With NI and a top slice of 45% tax, above a certain level you're working for less than half your salary. Airlines offer 60% and 80% contracts to captains for the same reason. Hospital consultants the same. If people can chose how much to work, they will, the same as choosing where to live..

[stevo]

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Can't see a doctor ? That's because most work 3 days a week, a few 4..

Err, that’s not the reason.

[JamesWales]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

The point is: 'are they seeing mass emigration of very high earners', and if so why has that not caused the economic disaster that some predict in the UK if tax rates are high.

Not sure, but Sweden has cut their income tax rates in recent years.

The reality is, particularly within the EU, that states do compete on taxes. With such a laissez faire economic system, tax rates are a key area of competition.

Perhaps the most famous example being Irelands low corporate tax rates.

[+ the native hipster]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

The point is: 'are they seeing mass emigration of very high earners', and if so why has that not caused the economic disaster that some predict in the UK if tax rates are high.

or, the point is they are removing people who only take from the system, thus keeping the very high earners happy their money is going to their fellow vikings

[jon1959]

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or, the point is they are removing people who only take from the system, thus keeping the very high earners happy their money is going to their fellow vikings

Or the point is that some rich people abandon their country for a low tax haven abroad and other people come in and work and pay taxes to compensate? But that must be off a different script!

[+ the native hipster]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

Or the point is that some rich people abandon their country for a low tax haven abroad and other people come in and work and pay taxes to compensate? But that must be off a different script!

but the Scandinavian evidence that shows non European migrants are a net drain,

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Question for all the right wingers on here

but the Scandinavian evidence that shows non European migrants are a net drain,

Australia seem to be one of the countries getting a lot from immigration, you just have to look at what they do differently, mainly that it's targeted and they get people who will add value and supply what skills they need.