Palestine Action

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Except the law makers who bought in the 20 mph speed limit it seems.

Nope, I entirely agree that speed limits should be set by local authorities too, and people should expect a level of enforcement that goes with it

[jon1959]

Re: Palestine Action

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/11/palestine-action-huda-ammori-ministers-claims

[az city]

Re: Palestine Action

In which case, neither can you! As for the prescription, we will all have opinions, but it is up to lawmakers to determine what should and shouldn't be proscribed and it is entirely understandable that they will enforce it, especially for something as serious as proscribed groups.

You're an idiot.

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Quick summary of the last few days here since I agreed(!!) with Delmbox's post, writing:

"Indeed, but they are a proscribed group so she chose to wear that t-shirt knowing she would be arrested and the costs and officer time that entailed"

For that position we get the following;

Sludge:
"Get your daft old racist on the case"

"execute all the protestors -JamesWales"

"You stupid fecking cnnt" (Subsequently deleted it seems)

Bob
"Being contrarian and being a prat"

"Your views are becoming ever more extreme"

AZ
"You have a slavish devotion to a pedantic and idiotic position"

"You're at the bottom of the Grand Canyon on this, Jimbo. Keep digging and you'll likely hit your homeland of Hades."

"you're an idiot"

Added to that we have Bob giving birth to some conspiracy (with no evidence) that the police and the govt are lying about the cost of airplane engine damage and we have a couple of the other usual suspects making insinuations here and there.

And why? Firstly for trusting devolving the implementation of the law to lawmakers (A Labour govt no less!) who were led by an MI5 report. Secondly for understanding that the police need to enforce laws without prejudice and thirdly for saying that people who openly break the law should expect to get nicked. All the while recognizing it's a contentious issue and stating a couple of times that protestors should not be aggressively dealt with nor harshly sentenced.

Barely more than a year ago a load of us got called idiots and fascists by the same kind of people above for NOT supporting a potential Labour Govt. Not we get called the same for having the temerity TO support the principle of enforcing the laws they've introduced. The constant theme being if we don't wholly agree with whatever your position is then you will get personal abuse.

For essentially supporting a government and police force instead of some conspiracy theory and online opinions Bob calls me extreme, Sludge calls me a cnnt and AZ calls me an idiot. Cyril accepts people have polarized opinions and seems to think that settling these things with laws introduced by an the govt is not the solution. So what is?!

At what point do you guys realize how irrational you sound? You are behaving exactly the same way a lot of the MAGA, antivax, far-right trolls sound on the internet.

You may be right on Palestine Action. You may not. You may be right on Lucy Letby or any other legal issue too, but devolving this decision to a government aware of more of the facts of the case than any of us is absolutely NOT extreme. It's the norm.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Palestine Action

Nope, I entirely agree that speed limits should be set by local authorities too, and people should expect a level of enforcement that goes with it

In this case I think it's stupid and if I think a law is stupid then I don't think breaking it should be punishable.

[Dave Blue]

Re: Palestine Action

Quick summary of the last few days here since I agreed(!!) with Delmbox's post, writing:

"Indeed, but they are a proscribed group so she chose to wear that t-shirt knowing she would be arrested and the costs and officer time that entailed"

For that position we get the following;

Sludge:
"Get your daft old racist on the case"

"execute all the protestors -JamesWales"

"You stupid fecking cnnt" (Subsequently deleted it seems)

Bob
"Being contrarian and being a prat"

"Your views are becoming ever more extreme"

AZ
"You have a slavish devotion to a pedantic and idiotic position"

"You're at the bottom of the Grand Canyon on this, Jimbo. Keep digging and you'll likely hit your homeland of Hades."

"you're an idiot"

Added to that we have Bob giving birth to some conspiracy (with no evidence) that the police and the govt are lying about the cost of airplane engine damage and we have a couple of the other usual suspects making insinuations here and there.

And why? Firstly for trusting devolving the implementation of the law to lawmakers (A Labour govt no less!) who were led by an MI5 report. Secondly for understanding that the police need to enforce laws without prejudice and thirdly for saying that people who openly break the law should expect to get nicked. All the while recognizing it's a contentious issue and stating a couple of times that protestors should not be aggressively dealt with nor harshly sentenced.

Barely more than a year ago a load of us got called idiots and fascists by the same kind of people above for NOT supporting a potential Labour Govt. Not we get called the same for having the temerity TO support the principle of enforcing the laws they've introduced. The constant theme being if we don't wholly agree with whatever your position is then you will get personal abuse.

For essentially supporting a government and police force instead of some conspiracy theory and online opinions Bob calls me extreme, Sludge calls me a cnnt and AZ calls me an idiot. Cyril accepts people have polarized opinions and seems to think that settling these things with laws introduced by an the govt is not the solution. So what is?!

At what point do you guys realize how irrational you sound? You are behaving exactly the same way a lot of the MAGA, antivax, far-right trolls sound on the internet.

You may be right on Palestine Action. You may not. You may be right on Lucy Letby or any other legal issue too, but devolving this decision to a government aware of more of the facts of the case than any of us is absolutely NOT extreme. It's the norm.

It’s aeroplane

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Something we can all agree on! 😌👍

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Palestine Action

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ain-government

We should all be thankful for people like Sludge & Rjk, who got millions of people to tactically vote for a leader who is willing to tackle these violent criminals head on in order to keep us all safe.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Palestine Action

Something we can all agree on! 😌👍

Quicksand

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Palestine Action

We should all be thankful for people like Sludge & Rjk, who got millions of people to tactically vote for a leader who is willing to tackle these violent criminals head on in order to keep us all safe.

Thank god we have a hopeless idiot in charge rather than a neo nazi hopeless idiot

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Palestine Action

Quick summary of the last few days here since I agreed(!!) with Delmbox's post, writing:

"Indeed, but they are a proscribed group so she chose to wear that t-shirt knowing she would be arrested and the costs and officer time that entailed"

For that position we get the following;

Sludge:
"Get your daft old racist on the case"

"execute all the protestors -JamesWales"

"You stupid fecking cnnt" (Subsequently deleted it seems)

Bob
"Being contrarian and being a prat"

"Your views are becoming ever more extreme"

AZ
"You have a slavish devotion to a pedantic and idiotic position"

"You're at the bottom of the Grand Canyon on this, Jimbo. Keep digging and you'll likely hit your homeland of Hades."

"you're an idiot"

Added to that we have Bob giving birth to some conspiracy (with no evidence) that the police and the govt are lying about the cost of airplane engine damage and we have a couple of the other usual suspects making insinuations here and there.

And why? Firstly for trusting devolving the implementation of the law to lawmakers (A Labour govt no less!) who were led by an MI5 report. Secondly for understanding that the police need to enforce laws without prejudice and thirdly for saying that people who openly break the law should expect to get nicked. All the while recognizing it's a contentious issue and stating a couple of times that protestors should not be aggressively dealt with nor harshly sentenced.

Barely more than a year ago a load of us got called idiots and fascists by the same kind of people above for NOT supporting a potential Labour Govt. Not we get called the same for having the temerity TO support the principle of enforcing the laws they've introduced. The constant theme being if we don't wholly agree with whatever your position is then you will get personal abuse.

For essentially supporting a government and police force instead of some conspiracy theory and online opinions Bob calls me extreme, Sludge calls me a cnnt and AZ calls me an idiot. Cyril accepts people have polarized opinions and seems to think that settling these things with laws introduced by an the govt is not the solution. So what is?!

At what point do you guys realize how irrational you sound? You are behaving exactly the same way a lot of the MAGA, antivax, far-right trolls sound on the internet.

You may be right on Palestine Action. You may not. You may be right on Lucy Letby or any other legal issue too, but devolving this decision to a government aware of more of the facts of the case than any of us is absolutely NOT extreme. It's the norm.

Who’s “we” ? It’s only you the contrarian who backs the arrest and possible imprisonment of blind, disabled people and octogenarians for the non violent wearing of a T shirt or displaying a placard on here so far

[jon1959]

Re: Palestine Action

It’s aeroplane

Quite right!

It is aeroplane not airplane.

It is criminal damage not terrorism.

It is obstruction not terrorism.

It is elderly Quakers holding a piece of cardboard not terrorism.

It is ex-Magistrates defying government over-reach not terrorism.

It is sons and daughters of Holocaust survivors standing up for the victims of genocide not terrorism.

It is civil disobedience not terrorism.

The proscription order - under pressure from the Trump government and Israel lobby groups - is authoritarian and dangerous and an attack on established civil liberties.

The government is criminalising opponents of genocide whilst enabling the perpetrators of genocide.

Not all police forces have acted the same way in the face of protestors defying the Palestine Action ban. Some have made mass arrests; some have turned a blind eye.

Everyone who joined the Parliament Square protest expected to be arrested. They showed a huge amount of courage and self sacrifice to ramp up the pressure on the government and expose their malign decision.

There will be a breaking point - maybe in the Courts; maybe when the prisons are full of ‘terrorist’ pensioners!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Palestine Action

Quite right!

It is aeroplane not airplane.

It is criminal damage not terrorism.

It is obstruction not terrorism.

It is elderly Quakers holding a piece of cardboard not terrorism.

It is ex-Magistrates defying government over-reach not terrorism.

It is sons and daughters of Holocaust survivors standing up for the victims of genocide not terrorism.

It is civil disobedience not terrorism.

The proscription order - under pressure from the Trump government and Israel lobby groups - is authoritarian and dangerous and an attack on established civil liberties.

The government is criminalising opponents of genocide whilst enabling the perpetrators of genocide.

Not all police forces have acted the same way in the face of protestors defying the Palestine Action ban. Some have made mass arrests; some have turned a blind eye.

Everyone who joined the Parliament Square protest expected to be arrested. They showed a huge amount of courage and self sacrifice to ramp up the pressure on the government and expose their malign decision.

There will be a breaking point - maybe in the Courts; maybe when the prisons are full of ‘terrorist’ pensioners!

They are criminals and they deserve to be in jail

James Whale

( currently paying off speeding fine number 37 )

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Who’s “we” ? It’s only you the contrarian who backs the arrest and possible imprisonment of blind, disabled people and octogenarians for the non violent wearing of a T shirt or displaying a placard on here so far

Really, that is your response to what I wrote? Christ alive Bob. You accused me of having an extreme opinion! I also specifically said that I don't think they should be jailed, but I won't expect you to be accurate on this thread as you are making it as you go along now

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Quick summary of the last few days here since I agreed(!!) with Delmbox's post, writing:

"Indeed, but they are a proscribed group so she chose to wear that t-shirt knowing she would be arrested and the costs and officer time that entailed"

For that position we get the following;

Sludge:
"Get your daft old racist on the case"

"execute all the protestors -JamesWales"

"You stupid fecking cnnt" (Subsequently deleted it seems)

Bob
"Being contrarian and being a prat"

"Your views are becoming ever more extreme"

AZ
"You have a slavish devotion to a pedantic and idiotic position"

"You're at the bottom of the Grand Canyon on this, Jimbo. Keep digging and you'll likely hit your homeland of Hades."

"you're an idiot"

Added to that we have Bob giving birth to some conspiracy (with no evidence) that the police and the govt are lying about the cost of airplane engine damage and we have a couple of the other usual suspects making insinuations here and there.

And why? Firstly for trusting devolving the implementation of the law to lawmakers (A Labour govt no less!) who were led by an MI5 report. Secondly for understanding that the police need to enforce laws without prejudice and thirdly for saying that people who openly break the law should expect to get nicked. All the while recognizing it's a contentious issue and stating a couple of times that protestors should not be aggressively dealt with nor harshly sentenced.

Barely more than a year ago a load of us got called idiots and fascists by the same kind of people above for NOT supporting a potential Labour Govt. Not we get called the same for having the temerity TO support the principle of enforcing the laws they've introduced. The constant theme being if we don't wholly agree with whatever your position is then you will get personal abuse.

For essentially supporting a government and police force instead of some conspiracy theory and online opinions Bob calls me extreme, Sludge calls me a cnnt and AZ calls me an idiot. Cyril accepts people have polarized opinions and seems to think that settling these things with laws introduced by an the govt is not the solution. So what is?!

At what point do you guys realize how irrational you sound? You are behaving exactly the same way a lot of the MAGA, antivax, far-right trolls sound on the internet.

You may be right on Palestine Action. You may not. You may be right on Lucy Letby or any other legal issue too, but devolving this decision to a government aware of more of the facts of the case than any of us is absolutely NOT extreme. It's the norm.

Will dip out of this thread now, as nothing to add other than the above, it's exhausting and everyone is going round in circles.

Enjoy agreeing with each other! 👍😘