Palestine Action

[Coyote]

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Do not make me miss the ****ing Tories, Starmer. I absolutely beg of you, do not reach that low.

[Wales-Bales]

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[Wales-Bales]

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Will the Spurs players be joining the disabled OAP protesters in the clink or are they innocent bystanders?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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JW, he passed a week or so ago.

His sidekick , ash , was a complete grumble and grunt

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I suppose thats a great banner but not directly supporting Palestine Action ?

[Eric Cartman]

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Will the Spurs players be joining the disabled OAP protesters in the clink or are they innocent bystanders?

This is the problem i have with the people getting themselves arrested. You can still push the message without pushing the group, its not illegal to say you think the israeli government is deliberately killing babies, it is illegal to support a proscribed group.

I dont know why people are so desperate to be cannon fodder for this group, its almost like PA are the victim and cause for some now.

[Wales-Bales]

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This is the problem i have with the people getting themselves arrested. You can still push the message without pushing the group, its not illegal to say you think the israeli government is deliberately killing babies, it is illegal to support a proscribed group.

I dont know why people are so desperate to be cannon fodder for this group, its almost like PA are the victim and cause for some now.

Isn't it happening because the protesters don't think the group in question should be proscribed?

[az city]

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I'll admit to not having read the entire thread.

It seems to me that the thread became locked into a conflation of two issues: proscription and debate around freedom of speech/thought, and, abhorrence at the events in Palestine.

I'm afraid Jimbo (of this parish) led himself and the thread astray with a spurious (and sometimes entirely circular) argument that the legality or otherwise of something defined it's moral probity. In short, it doesn't. That's a cart-before-horse way of thinking.

[jon1959]

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Isn't it happening because the protesters don't think the group in question should be proscribed?

Yes.

[JamesWales]

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I'll admit to not having read the entire thread.

It seems to me that the thread became locked into a conflation of two issues: proscription and debate around freedom of speech/thought, and, abhorrence at the events in Palestine.

I'm afraid Jimbo (of this parish) led himself and the thread astray with a spurious (and sometimes entirely circular) argument that the legality or otherwise of something defined it's moral probity. In short, it doesn't. That's a cart-before-horse way of thinking.

I mean, I do think that's a misinterpretation of my point, as I certainly do understand that the law enforcement morality do not always perfectly align for all people. I certainly do agree on the circular nature of the debate though, so not keen to interact anymore on it!

[Eric Cartman]

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Isn't it happening because the protesters don't think the group in question should be proscribed?

Yep so essentially they have decided to get themselves arrested, rather than use their time to actually support the underlying cause and oppose what israel is doing. Baffling to me.

[jon1959]

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Yep so essentially they have decided to get themselves arrested, rather than use their time to actually support the underlying cause and oppose what israel is doing. Baffling to me.

Maybe they see challenging the government's suppression of solidarity activity and continuing collusion with Israel as the best way of opposing what Israel is doing and seeing meaningful action instead of reluctant posturing?

It doesn't baffle me.

[Eric Cartman]

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Maybe they see challenging the government's suppression of solidarity activity and continuing collusion with Israel as the best way of opposing what Israel is doing and seeing meaningful action instead of reluctant posturing?

It doesn't baffle me.

Why havent you gone and got yourself arrested then Jon? You agree with both their stance around palestine and about the group..

Asking that genuinely btw, not trying for some kind of gotcha here. My guess is you are a bit smarter/measured than they are but they might see you as less committed/principled for not throwing yourself to the slaughter.

[jon1959]

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Why havent you gone and got yourself arrested then Jon? You agree with both their stance around palestine and about the group..

Asking that genuinely btw, not trying for some kind of gotcha here. My guess is you are a bit smarter/measured than they are but they might see you as less committed/principled for not throwing yourself to the slaughter.

I am certainly less committed/principled than the people who got arrested for their placards. Not a bit smarter/measured.

I will continue to take part in local and national Palestine demonstrations, but I also want to be able to use my passport for the next 9 months without trouble.

For clarity - and this is important as there is a 14 year gaol sentence at stake - I support their stance on Israeli genocide and I think the proscription of Palestine Action is wrong (that is an understatement) but I am not a supporter of the group.

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/16/im-proud-to-have-made-this-stand-over-60s-arrested-at-palestine-action-ban-protest-explain-their-decision