OH Angie Baby

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So civil servants at HMRC have covered this up, that’s one hell of an accusation.

Just accept she did nothing wrong, it will eat you away otherwise.

No they haven’t, but let’s say, it’s just been “sorted” in a way that’s suits all parties……if you think that doesn’t go on, your opinion is worth even less than I already think it is, and it’s a low bar.

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she did do wrong, she did not pay tax at the proper time. She later paid the tax which is evidence that the tax was due.

Dear God, she made a mistake. We are not all tax experts. Just because someone makes a genuine mistake do they deserve to be hounded for the rest of their lives

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she did do wrong, she did not pay tax at the proper time. She later paid the tax which is evidence that the tax was due.

Exactly, she tried it on…..

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Exactly, she tried it on…..

She didn’t try it on, she made a genuine mistake. Your hate is clouding your judgement, just admit it.

Anyway, I’m glad it’s pissed off all the right people on this MB.

Well done Ange.

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Dear God, she made a mistake. We are not all tax experts. Just because someone makes a genuine mistake do they deserve to be hounded for the rest of their lives

Did you miss the part where her government puts businesses into liquidation for non-compliance? Raynor's party have created the most brutal unfair tax penalty framework that has ever existed.

Are you saying that how HMRC treat the ordinary man should be different to how Raynor is treated by HMRC?

furthermore, our press hold our politicians to account, and our politicians have a higher standard to maintain than the rest of us, certainly when it is them making the rules we have to adhere to.

Do you think Boris Johnson did anything wrong attending the party during lockdown?

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Did you miss the part where her government puts businesses into liquidation for non-compliance? Raynor's party have created the most brutal unfair tax penalty framework that has ever existed.

Are you saying that how HMRC treat the ordinary man should be different to how Raynor is treated by HMRC?

Whatsboutery! How do you know she was treated any differently? Did you sit in with the case officer?

Read this and weep.

https://x.com/angelarayner/status/2054823081344893099?s=46&t=5XvNdsdmLTsVTx09ZSEfIA

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Did you miss the part where her government puts businesses into liquidation for non-compliance? Raynor's party have created the most brutal unfair tax penalty framework that has ever existed.

Are you saying that how HMRC treat the ordinary man should be different to how Raynor is treated by HMRC?

furthermore, our press hold our politicians to account, and our politicians have a higher standard to maintain than the rest of us, certainly when it is them making the rules we have to adhere to.

Do you think Boris Johnson did anything wrong attending the party during lockdown?

I don't really know anything about this. What makes the current tax penalty system unfair?

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Whatsboutery! How do you know she was treated any differently? Did you sit in with the case officer?

Read this and weep.

https://x.com/angelarayner/status/20...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

I welcome HMRC’s conclusion, which has cleared me of any wrongdoing.

I have been exonerated by HMRC of the accusation that I deliberately sought to avoid tax.

When purchasing a home of my own with a mortgage, I did not own any other property and had no personal financial interest in the court-instructed trust set up to manage my son’s financial award. I was advised by experts that I should pay stamp duty at the standard rate.

I set out to pay the correct amount of tax. I took reasonable care and acted in good faith, based on the expert advice I received, and HMRC has accepted this.

I have always sought to act with integrity, and I believe politicians should be held to high standards - that is why I resigned from government and cooperated fully with HMRC.

I wanted to ensure that I paid every penny that I owed, and have done so. I am relieved that my family can now move on - and that I can get on with my job.

From X, Raynor's comment in full. The bit in bold is sophistry at best. Raynor only took expert advice after the enquiry started.

Raynor also states above that politicians are held to a higher standard, and quite rightly so.

Boris Johnson attended a party during lockdown, and showed a poor error of judgement. I wouldn't trust Johnson to run a bath, never mind a country. He paid the price, and quite rightly so.

Angela Raynor is unable to manage her own affairs competently. Its quite correct that she is nowhere near running the country.

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I don't really know anything about this. What makes the current tax penalty system unfair?

the fact that if you get it wrong or file late there are financial penalties. businesses that are already struggling are those most likely to not pay their tax on time. Its unclear how taking more money off them assist with them improving their business.

the fact that if you owe no tax, or even if you have no income or capital gains, but don't file a return stating the same, you will suffer a financial penalty of up to £1600 per annum.

The recent (past couple of years) changes to the VAT penalty regime is the icing on the cake. Daily penalties, fixed penalties, penalties on 30 days, penalties on 60 days. Its brutal and designed to make businesses suffer. There is no other explanation and its all Raynor and her party's doing.

I could go on...the government have the power of state behind them and they use it to abuse the hard working small business owner...the very people we rely on to ultimately generate economic growth

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Dear God, she made a mistake. We are not all tax experts. Just because someone makes a genuine mistake do they deserve to be hounded for the rest of their lives

Ignorance of the law is no defence. This is trite law.

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the fact that if you get it wrong or file late there are financial penalties. businesses that are already struggling are those most likely to not pay their tax on time. Its unclear how taking more money off them assist with them improving their business.

the fact that if you owe no tax, or even if you have no income or capital gains, but don't file a return stating the same, you will suffer a financial penalty of up to £1600 per annum.

The recent (past couple of years) changes to the VAT penalty regime is the icing on the cake. Daily penalties, fixed penalties, penalties on 30 days, penalties on 60 days. Its brutal and designed to make businesses suffer. There is no other explanation and its all Raynor and her party's doing.

I could go on...the government have the power of state behind them and they use it to abuse the hard working small business owner...the very people we rely on to ultimately generate economic growth

That's interesting, thank you. My friend works in insolvency and the people seem to fall into two buckets for him, 'complete bastard who only looks out for themselves' and 'alright person who got overwhelmed and ****ed things up'. They are a small firm and one of the business owners set my mates bosses car on fire outside the office.

I doubt the general public want the government hammering genuine people but the bastards can get ****ed and have the book thrown at them. The discussion always seems to be dumbed down to small Vs big business though rather than an acceptance that some small business owners are self serving twats rightly should be hammered and some people just ended up in a crap position and lost their way. How you figure out who is who, I am not sure.

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That's interesting, thank you. My friend works in insolvency and the people seem to fall into two buckets for him, 'complete bastard who only looks out for themselves' and 'alright person who got overwhelmed and ****ed things up'. They are a small firm and one of the business owners set my mates bosses car on fire outside the office.

I doubt the general public want the government hammering genuine people but the bastards can get ****ed and have the book thrown at them. The discussion always seems to be dumbed down to small Vs big business though rather than an acceptance that some small business owners are self serving twats rightly should be hammered and some people just ended up in a crap position and lost their way. How you figure out who is who, I am not sure.

Its not as difficult to differentiate as you think. Generally those who are trying hard to make an honest living are those that pay something but get left behind. Those who are dishonest pay nothing if they can be arsed filing a return in the first place.

However, this government has assumed that anyone who doesn't pay their tax on time is nefarious and deserves to be punished severely.

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From X, Raynor's comment in full. The bit in bold is sophistry at best. Raynor only took expert advice after the enquiry started.

Raynor also states above that politicians are held to a higher standard, and quite rightly so.

Boris Johnson attended a party during lockdown, and showed a poor error of judgement. I wouldn't trust Johnson to run a bath, never mind a country. He paid the price, and quite rightly so.

Angela Raynor is unable to manage her own affairs competently. Its quite correct that she is nowhere near running the country.

Your argument collapses under its own contradictions. You acknowledge that politicians should be held to a higher standard, yet you dismiss the outcome when that standard is actually applied and the authorities conclude there was no wrongdoing by Angela Rayner. She was investigated extensively over her tax affairs and ultimately exonerated. In a country governed by the rule of law, that should matter more than partisan suspicion or insinuation.

The comparison with Boris Johnson is also deeply flawed. This is where the whataboutery begins. Johnson was not merely accused of “poor judgement”; he was found to have broken the rules his own government imposed on the public during lockdown, and he was fined by police. Those events occurred while millions of people were separated from dying relatives, missed funerals, and obeyed restrictions at enormous personal cost. That was not a technical administrative query over historic tax arrangements, it was a conscious breach of laws his government expected everyone else to follow.

You also criticise Rayner for seeking expert advice after scrutiny began, as though that somehow implies guilt. In reality, when anyone — politician or otherwise, becomes the subject of a formal enquiry, obtaining professional legal or tax advice is precisely the sensible and responsible thing to do. It is not evidence of incompetence; it is evidence of engaging properly with the process.

More importantly, there is a significant difference between being investigated and being found culpable. Rayner was investigated and cleared. Johnson was investigated and sanctioned. Pretending those outcomes are equivalent requires ignoring the actual findings in favour of political preference.

If standards matter, then they must be applied consistently not only when they damage the politicians we dislike.

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she did do wrong, she did not pay tax at the proper time. She later paid the tax which is evidence that the tax was due.

Such an amazing co-incidence that it was announced to be sorted today, of all days too….

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Re: OH Angie Baby

She didn’t try it on, she made a genuine mistake. Your hate is clouding your judgement, just admit it.

Anyway, I’m glad it’s pissed off all the right people on this MB.

Well done Ange.

Not pissed me off at all, not even surprised……it gives normal folk cart Blanche to have the same oversight, I mean if the deputy prime minister can’t quite get it right, who the f*%k can?
she could be the new PM next week. Amazin news for the country, no more chaos.