Charlie Kirk

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Some interesting speculation that this freak may be from the far right,:

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-suspect-is-a-gun-loving-trump-supporter/

https://www.newsweek.com/groyper-charlie-kirk-shooting-nick-fuentes-2129114

[JamesWales]

Re: Charlie Kirk

What do you think about this opinion then ?

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

What do I think of it? I think there are extremists across the political spectrum.

This EU study states far higher incidents of left-wing terrorism than right-wing. Who cares though? The problem is extremism and intolerance and that's why talking is important and trying get dialogue instead of violence.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/terrorism-eu-facts-figures/

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Charlie Kirk

How on Earth could I have missed her 🫣

Not a dig at you butt.

As you said its all been seen before.

Everyone in their right mind would condemn political violence and murder but it does seem some will try ans anoint Kirk a modern day saint as it suits their political agenda.

In the USA now you'd suggest a decent leader of the country would try and bring some unity instead of further polarising groups. Admittedly it could be suggested he himself has upped the political violence in the USA with events a few years ago.

As for Charlie Kirk himself, I thought he talked like a massive cuunt. Whether or not they were his real opinions or just a massive grift he was a cuunt?

Some on here would be holding a candle light vigil if Yaxley Lennon ever receives another dig.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Charlie Kirk

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

Then we must clearly despair even more at the right

You know what Mate.
I despair at the State of politics in general.
Not just the politicians that we have had over the last 10 years or so…but the absolute vicious polarization that we now see.
Point Scoring at any given opportunity and teeth bared to anybody who dares disagree.
The Right do the same, but I honestly think that the modern day left are more fervent in their intense hatred.
This is just my opinion and I wish that it wasn’t.
Of course, I might have been brainwashed or radicalized online, have cognitive bias and live in online echo chamber. I do try to see things from different sides and sources though.

It’s my opinion that the Left, left me.
It started around 2014 for me, escalated in 2016, put on the afterburners in 2017 and have kept heading the same direction ever since.

The left that I knew, were kind, compassionate, non discriminatory, progressive but balanced.
I felt like I was on the side of good.

Now I firmly believe that The Left have lost their ****ing minds after fully embracing post modernism and identity politics.

Now, I think that they are radical, oppressive, totalitarian, puritanical ideologues.
I don’t think that the left has a love of nations anymore. Maybe they have been true internationalists when I was younger, but to me…they were always on the fringes.
Now, it seems that there is a dislike of country and disdain for those who still like the country and culture that they grew up in.
They certainly do not represent the working class anymore in my opinion.
It says something when “The Red Wall” are drifting towards an obvious charlatan and chancer in Farage in their droves.
Moderate Labour voters drifting towards a right leaning party in their droves. It’s nuts to think that this would happen even as recently as 2010.

Obviously Trump and Brexit are HUGE factors which really deepened the chasm…

Again, just my opinion.
I still believe in Trade Unions, The NHS, a Benefit System to help those that need it, Gay Marriage and adoption, abortion, social equality and decriminalization of drugs.
I still dislike Corporate Greed, The US Healthcare/Insurance system.

I’ve said it before…I think I belong in the category of Blue Labour…or a Hybrid of Ralph Nader/Ross Perot over here.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

What do I think of it? I think there are extremists across the political spectrum.

This EU study states far higher incidents of left-wing terrorism than right-wing. Who cares though? The problem is extremism and intolerance and that's why talking is important and trying get dialogue instead of violence.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/i...facts-figures/

Thats Europe

We are talking about the states

Where tonight Dave Rubin , another right wing libertarian and close friend of
the guy assassinated incredible stated again that the left were more dangerous than the right .....clearly nonsense although you are also at it ....and that the uk would have less political violence if people had the right to bear arms and defend themselves

It certainly didn't work for his friend ! Shot dead by a high powered rifle from 150 yards away

The guy shot who said the left was very dangerous and that you in your statement said you agreed with was wrong and so were you as the article I provided for you clearly showed

If you want to bring Europe into it then save that for a debate on violence by political groups in Europe

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

What do I think of it? I think there are extremists across the political spectrum.

This EU study states far higher incidents of left-wing terrorism than right-wing. Who cares though? The problem is extremism and intolerance and that's why talking is important and trying get dialogue instead of violence.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/i...facts-figures/

Thats Europe

We are talking about the states

Where tonight Dave Rubin , another right wing libertarian and close friend of
the guy assassinated incredible stated again that the left were more dangerous than the right .....clearly nonsense although you are also at it ....and that the uk would have less political violence if people had the right to bear arms and defend themselves

It certainly didn't work for his friend ! Shot dead by a high powered rifle from 150 yards away

The guy shot who said the left was very dangerous and that you in your statement said you agreed with was wrong and so were you as the article I provided for you clearly showed

If you want to bring Europe into it then save that for a debate on violence by political groups in Europe

[JamesWales]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Thats Europe

We are talking about the states

Where tonight Dave Rubin , another right wing libertarian and close friend of
the guy assassinated incredible stated again that the left were more dangerous than the right .....clearly nonsense although you are also at it ....and that the uk would have less political violence if people had the right to bear arms and defend themselves

It certainly didn't work for his friend ! Shot dead by a high powered rifle from 150 yards away

The guy shot who said the left was very dangerous and that you in your statement said you agreed with was wrong and so were you as the article I provided for you clearly showed

If you want to bring Europe into it then save that for a debate on violence by political groups in Europe

Please, stop misquoting me and then purposefully misrepresenting me.

When asked earlier what views of his I agreed with, alongside a list of things I disagreed with, I said that Charlie Kirk was right to point out that the far-left is dangerous. They are. I also think the far-right is dangerous. They are.

This isn't hard stuff to comprehend, so I don't know why you complicate it tbh.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

What do I think of it? I think there are extremists across the political spectrum.

This EU study states far higher incidents of left-wing terrorism than right-wing. Who cares though? The problem is extremism and intolerance and that's why talking is important and trying get dialogue instead of violence.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/i...facts-figures/

You didn't say that though did you ?

You said the guy assassinated thought the left was very dangerous and you agreed with him

Now if you had said it was tragic he was shot but political violence wasn't just a left wing issue that would have been nuanced

But you didn't

[JamesWales]

Re: Charlie Kirk

You didn't say that though did you ?

You said the guy assassinated thought the left was very dangerous and you agreed with him

Now if you had said it was tragic he was shot but political violence wasn't just a left wing issue that would have been nuanced

But you didn't

Again, you are misquoting me. I said I agree with him that the far-left is dangerous. Christ alive, if the last 48 hours haven't taught you that, then nothing will.

I also said the far-right is dangerous. Because it is.

That's what I said. And frankly, that's the truth.

And what definitely is true is that I'm off to bed, and will take a break from it all for the weekend, so have a good one , Sludge 👍

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Again, you are misquoting me. I said I agree with him that the far-left is dangerous. Christ alive, if the last 48 hours haven't taught you that, then nothing will.

I also said the far-right is dangerous. Because it is.

That's what I said. And frankly, that's the truth.

And what definitely is true is that I'm off to bed, and will take a break from it all for the weekend, so have a good one , Sludge 👍

Cobblers

2 nil city

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Some interesting speculation that this freak may be from the far right,:

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-suspect-is-a-gun-loving-trump-supporter/

https://www.newsweek.com/groyper-cha...uentes-2129114

Google must be doing some serious traffic on 'what is a groyper?' right now.

Hmm how are maga going to rescue this one? They have basically gone all in on 'political violence of the left' since the bullet came out of the chamber and now it turns out it is one of their own.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Again, you are misquoting me. I said I agree with him that the far-left is dangerous. Christ alive, if the last 48 hours haven't taught you that, then nothing will.

You need a twitter account.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Given the absolute hammering sludge was given for assuming the identity of the perpetrators of the epping arson attack, does anybody feel the need to cleanse themselves?

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Google must be doing some serious traffic on 'what is a groyper?' right now.

Hmm how are maga going to rescue this one? They have basically gone all in on 'political violence of the left' since the bullet came out of the chamber and now it turns out it is one of their own.

I just had to look it up. I’ve never heard of Nick Fuentes until reading the Newsweek article and it seems to me from that article that Charlie Kirk was moderate and against the “Groypers”.

I can remember that there were only a few nasty ****ers that I hated including Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Charlie Kirk

I just had to look it up. I’ve never heard of Nick Fuentes until reading the Newsweek article and it seems to me from that article that Charlie Kirk was moderate and against the “Groypers”.

I can remember that there were only a few nasty ****ers that I hated including Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Politics just keeps getting more polarised to the point where its impossible to keep up.

Twitter is a battleground tonight between the 'hes a groyper' tribe and those who are sticking with the original idea of him being left wing. Probably most of what is written is bollocks from both sides and for no apparent reason i am still looking at it.