Mandatory Digital ID Cards

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

Corbyn a fruitcake, Ed Davey belongs in a circus, Farage a nutter, Badenoch a busted flush. And we know you hate Starmer et al too!

Even the Greens are against the ID card, as are the SNP although they seem to be more worried about its name.

It does seem a curious policy and a curious time to make it from the govt.

Putting all the conjecture being pumped out from the left and right on this issue aside, the government has to find ways to make service delivery more efficient. We know the conservative and reform answer, sack loads of people and then blame remaining staff for not being productive enough - we have seen it for the last 15 years.

I work in a space which really hasn't taken advantage of technology to create a system of fairer and more efficient service delivery and we are suffering now because money is so tight, implementation is next to impossible. In general terms, the more information held on people, the more efficient the service you offer. At the moment if you a parent of a child with emerging SEND, google probably knows more about your kid than the LA.

Digital ID in its current form probably doesn't do that, but it paves the way for it. Yep, it also paves the way for all the horror stories of social credit scores and the like but people are going to have to pick a lane or pay more tax for the services they consume.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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That's old fashioned isn't it ?

I have no idea , thankfully I dont have kids

Its a life of pain apparently

[Mr Ducie]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

https://x.com/benonwine/status/1972731956992581729?s=61&t=opXYWu2ILhmySD2aRt-GNg

:popcorn:

[truthpaste]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

https://x.com/benonwine/status/19727...LhmySD2aRt-GNg


:popcorn:

China already has a 'citizen score' which does similar to this and a lot more - it's arrived.

[truthpaste]

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Reasons to be cautious:

On the face of it , it appears a good idea.


* Could lead to a cashless society
* Fines and penalties could be imposed digitally
* Any digital footprint would be intrinsically linked, such as smart meter readings, internet access and browsing history
* Open to fraud.

I've picked 4 of these:-
* Will lead to a cashless society.
* Fines will be the thin edge of the wedge.
* Tracking all our behaviour, even our driving will be monitered and impact our score.

* FRAUD - this is the key one that will lead to each individual being chipped. No forgetting your card, no excuses, tracking 24/7. Wecome to Revelation 13:16-17 - "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, unless he has the mark..."

[stevo]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

Reasons to be cautious:



I've picked 4 of these:-
* Will lead to a cashless society.
* Fines will be the thin edge of the wedge.
* Tracking all our behaviour, even our driving will be monitered and impact our score.

* FRAUD - this is the key one that will lead to each individual being chipped. No forgetting your card, no excuses, tracking 24/7. Wecome to Revelation 13:16-17 - "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, unless he has the mark..."

* Cashless society

And? It's only a matter of time. Has been talked about since I was in high school.

* Fines

Fines for what? Breaking the law?

* Being tracked

This has been going on for years. Nothing new. Besides, have you got anything to hide?

* Fraud

It could also prevent fraud e.g. clamping down on folk claiming benefits for dozens of made up IDs

[stevo]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

https://x.com/benonwine/status/19727...LhmySD2aRt-GNg


:popcorn:

Sounds like a win - win

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

That's a very mature position, do you think you apply that consistently?

Presumably you were against the introduction of bank accounts, insurance, brexit, off the top of my head..

Oh and I think the caveman that first discovered how to light a fire has a lot to answer for.

We haven't seen the legislation yet, so that is an argument for another day.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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* Cashless society

And? It's only a matter of time. Has been talked about since I was in high school.

* Fines

Fines for what? Breaking the law?

* Being tracked

This has been going on for years. Nothing new. Besides, have you got anything to hide?

* Fraud

It could also prevent fraud e.g. clamping down on folk claiming benefits for dozens of made up IDs

That's good, very good.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Mandatory Digital ID Cards

* Cashless society

And? It's only a matter of time. Has been talked about since I was in high school.

* Fines

Fines for what? Breaking the law?

* Being tracked

This has been going on for years. Nothing new. Besides, have you got anything to hide?

* Fraud

It could also prevent fraud e.g. clamping down on folk claiming benefits for dozens of made up IDs

It would be great if it ended there :thumbup:

[JamesWales]

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* Cashless society

And? It's only a matter of time. Has been talked about since I was in high school.

* Fines

Fines for what? Breaking the law?

* Being tracked

This has been going on for years. Nothing new. Besides, have you got anything to hide?

* Fraud

It could also prevent fraud e.g. clamping down on folk claiming benefits for dozens of made up IDs

Cashless society is seriously negative. It lets tech bros take a cut of every transaction. It's seriously regressive and bad for society.

Bad for domestic abuse victims

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyq5d245xlo

Bad for the vulnerable

https://www.bigissue.com/life/money/uk-cashless-society-vulnerable-people/

Bad for those on lower incomes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cew50nnz902o

Fines are only for breaking the law - true. But it makes it easier to collect and impose fines where they may be unnecessary or just create stress and disharmony. Think what councils will do, what private parking operators etc will do.

Bring tracked - it's one thing if it's a supermarket you volunteer info to in order to save money, and can opt out of (by not showing the card, by paying cash etc) at any point. Quite another to built an infrastructure of government control over people's lives and their income.

Fraud - you may be right on. Probably will increase and decrease fraud in equal measure in different areas.

Just don't see any general positives on balance. It's very low down the list of things this country needs.

[Wales-Bales]

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Cashless society is seriously negative. It lets tech bros take a cut of every transaction. It's seriously regressive and bad for society.

Bad for domestic abuse victims

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyq5d245xlo

Bad for the vulnerable

https://www.bigissue.com/life/money/uk-cashless-society-vulnerable-people/

Bad for those on lower incomes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cew50nnz902o

Fines are only for breaking the law - true. But it makes it easier to collect and impose fines where they may be unnecessary or just create stress and disharmony. Think what councils will do, what private parking operators etc will do.

Bring tracked - it's one thing if it's a supermarket you volunteer info to in order to save money, and can opt out of (by not showing the card, by paying cash etc) at any point. Quite another to built an infrastructure of government control over people's lives and their income.

Fraud - you may be right on. Probably will increase and decrease fraud in equal measure in different areas.

Just don't see any general positives on balance. It's very low down the list of things this country needs.

Don't forget carbon rationing, travel limits, and social credit scores, etc.

[truthpaste]

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Don't forget carbon rationing, travel limits, and social credit scores, etc.

The benefits are many, even with a the framework of a democracy. As for a cashless society, talk has continued on this for decades, however since 2020 it's rapidly become a reality with many businesses no longer accepting cash at all.

China are leading the way in the area of 'Big Brother' surveillance with their "citizen score" - a complex and evolving social credit system, which aims to rate individuals' trustworthiness and behavior based on financial, social, and government-collected data. While often imagined as a single, centralized score, the system is a diverse collection of regional and private pilot programs, including Sesame Credit, which grant benefits like loan access to those with high scores and restrict access to services for those with low scores.

Labour's thin edge of the wedge is already on our doorstep > The Labour Party and DWP will check the accounts of benefits claimants from 2026. As part of a fraud crackdown, the DWP is clamping down on benefit fraud and staff will force banks to hand over details of those in receipt of benefits.

[ToTaL ITK]

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The Labour Party and DWP will check the accounts of benefits claimants from 2026. As part of a fraud crackdown, the DWP is clamping down on benefit fraud and staff will force banks to hand over details of those in receipt of benefits.

I cheated a system back in the 80's I had to as the benefit would not give a decent life. So instead of getting 7 pound a week i got 17.
Now think back to 1981/4 and think how far 17 quid would get you.

Google AI
In 1983, the average weekly gross earnings for full-time employees in the UK were £154.30 for men and £98.90 for women.

[truthpaste]

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In just five years cash has mainly gone the same way as paying by cheque, although both still occasionally happen.

Sweden_Rev13.jpg

Would anyone here have seen contactless payments becoming 93% of all transactions so rapidly?

Ultimately something along these lines (see image above) is the future, and maybe like contactless....
....a lot sooner than we think :sherlock: