Manchester terrorist attack.

[Heathblue]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

That sounds as though youÂ’re a bit of Hamas sympathiser. IÂ’m sure youÂ’d probably feel a bit different if it was one of your relatives that had been held hostage for the last 2 yrs.
So as IÂ’ve said above, why arenÂ’t these protestors waving banners urging Hamas to agree to the peace deal thatÂ’s on the table?

The people you try and debate with voted this government to election victory. You are wasting your time with them.

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[Eric Cartman]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

The people you try and debate with voted this government to election victory. You are wasting your time with them.

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How much is it?

Must be hundreds of millions right?

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I don't see why it indicates I'm a Hamas sympathiser at all. I'm sympathetic to the loss of innocent lives and Hamas isn't murdering them.

Today is the second anniversary of Hamas murdering innocent people.

[Heathblue]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

How much is it?

Must be hundreds of millions right?

Does it matter to you if it's one penny more than a £1 ?

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Today is the second anniversary of Hamas murdering innocent people.

Correct

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Correct

Yeah but you said... oh forget it.

[stevo]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Today is the second anniversary of Hamas murdering innocent people.

Correct

Yeah but you said... oh forget it.

Dorcus - I think what Bluebirdman is trying to say is that Hamas are guilty of murdering people too, but you're not acknowledging that.

Bluebirdman - I think the issue here though, is that enough is said about the atrocities of 7th October and the general public are all too aware of what happened that day. But not enough is being said and acknowledged about the genocide that followed. That's what these protests are about. And not just that, but the fact that Israel's western allies including the UK are implicit in that genocide (although nowhere near as much as the US).

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Does it matter to you if it's one penny more than a £1 ?

Yeah it does, how much is it?

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Are you sure that with 70000 dead you want your take on it to be HEY HEY IT'S NOT GENOCIDE THOUGH, THE UN ONLY SAID THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING THAT IT'S A GENOCIDE?

That is not what I said.

Mine was a purely factual post stating the situation.
It was not meant express my views on the situation, which I will set out more fully when I am home with access to my laptop.
Which will hopefully be tonight if I do not feel too tired

Read that before using rudely using Capitals like that.

There is no need to shout at

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

You Elwood - like the love child of Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly!

See my reply to Delmbox.

You and he have taken my purely factual.post wrongly.

Par for the course on this forum.

As I said in that post all being well I shall set out my views later.

Typing on a mobile is not conducive to longer posts.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I am sure we all hope that there are no demonstrations celebrating the October 7 massacre today.

A forlorn hope of course.

Jon and Delmbox and others should note that this in no way expresses support for the appalling genocide in Gaza.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Dorcus - I think what Bluebirdman is trying to say is that Hamas are guilty of murdering people too, but you're not acknowledging that.

Bluebirdman - I think the issue here though, is that enough is said about the atrocities of 7th October and the general public are all too aware of what happened that day. But not enough is being said and acknowledged about the genocide that followed. That's what these protests are about. And not just that, but the fact that Israel's western allies including the UK are implicit in that genocide (although nowhere near as much as the US).

Of course I acknowledge the awful atrocities which were committed 2 years ago. That was murder and slaughter of the innocents. It was barbaric and unconscionable. However, that was 2 years ago and Hamas is not murdering people now, Israel is. Also, as dreadful as the events were 2 years ago it's worth remembering Israel has slaughtered 50 times more innocent people than Hamas did...and still counting! Surely, enough is enough?

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I am sure we all hope that there are no demonstrations celebrating the October 7 massacre today.

A forlorn hope of course.

Jon and Delmbox and others should note that this in no way expresses support for the appalling genocide in Gaza.

I have never suggested you support the genocide in Gaza. But I am not convinced by your assertion that the commission report that concluded Israel is guilty of genocide is not the official position of the UN. I am no legal expert, and I accepted that the ICJ court case brought by South Africa is ongoing, but as far as I can see the UN (which published the commission report) agrees with its' findings.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I have never suggested you support the genocide in Gaza. But I am not convinced by your assertion that the commission report that concluded Israel is guilty of genocide is not the official position of the UN. I am no legal expert, and I accepted that the ICJ court case brought by South Africa is ongoing, but as far as I can see the UN (which published the commission report) agrees with its' findings.

The following is from the BBC report on 26 September

'The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

When asked by journalists on Tuesday if he would consider using the word genocide to describe Israel's actions in Gaza, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said: "It's for the court to decide whether it's genocide or not, and we see the evidence mounting." '


I am having problems actually linking the article but I have seen similar from other reputable sources

I think it is Volker Turk,'s division who commissioned the report.

Another quote from the BBC report

'The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.'

Convinced yet,?

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

The following is from the BBC report on 26 September

'The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

When asked by journalists on Tuesday if he would consider using the word genocide to describe Israel's actions in Gaza, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said: "It's for the court to decide whether it's genocide or not, and we see the evidence mounting." '


I am having problems actually linking the article but I have seen similar from other reputable sources

I think it is Volker Turk,'s division who commissioned the report.

Another quote from the BBC report

'The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.'

Convinced yet,?

More convinced - thanks.

But note the highlighted words above from your quote. 'Genocide' is a finding of the UN - which may be a slightly different thing from whether 'genocide under international law' has been established by the appropriate legal body.

Either way, it is genocide - as every reputable human rights organisation (including Israeli ones) has already determined.