Iran's supreme leader reportedly dead

[JamesWales]

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You make it sound like people can't hold equal views that the Iranian regime is hideous and wrong and the US/Israeli attack on and independent country is wrong.

Lots of people (I suspect you and others who post here were amongst them) believed that Saddam Hussein's regime was obscene. It killed far more of its own citizens be they Marsh Arabs, Shia or Kurds, than the Mullahs. Yet these people were able to see that the 2nd Gulf War that captured and killed him was a sham. They probably changed their politics as a result.

The Netanyahu/Trump escapade is no more legitimate and justifiable than that and to act that it is somehow different is self-delusional.

I'm slightly confused why you are so sparked by what I said? We probably share the exact same concerns about what happens next, but burying ones head in the sand doesn't achieve anything.

My post was about what Stevo wrote about Iranians hatred towards America and about how their new leader won't be chipper about his father being killed. I don't doubt there's truth in that.

Doesn't strike me as unreasonable to point out in a comment about Iranians, their leaders and killing that they are probably none too chipper about the mass killings of their fellow citizens a few months back either.

Why the issue with it being mentioned?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I'm slightly confused why you are so sparked by what I said? We probably share the exact same concerns about what happens next, but burying ones head in the sand doesn't achieve anything.

My post was about what Stevo wrote about Iranians hatred towards America and about how their new leader won't be chipper about his father being killed. I don't doubt there's truth in that.

Doesn't strike me as unreasonable to point out in a comment about Iranians, their leaders and killing that they are probably none too chipper about the mass killings of their fellow citizens a few months back either.

Why the issue with it being mentioned?

Sparked was a bit emotive. You re-energised this thread with a pithy comment that one Khamenei replaced another. One take would be that is typical of that state, another that it demonstrates the futility of trying to bomb regime change from afar.

If you don't think it is fair game to have a gentle pop at those on here who have sounded off about one of the reasons they moved rightwards and populist was because of WMD and Blair/Bush, yet this is somehow different then I guess all I can say is.....aw shucks!

[stevo]

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Its also been suggested that Iranians are none too chipper about his old man killing tens of thousands of their own people earlier this year.

Indeed. So, one for the Iranian people to sort out, no?

When has the US meddling in other countries affairs ever worked out well? The Iran situation is already playing out as I expected and we'll all be worse off again.

[JamesWales]

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Sparked was a bit emotive. You re-energised this thread with a pithy comment that one Khamenei replaced another. One take would be that is typical of that state, another that it demonstrates the futility of trying to bomb regime change from afar.

If you don't think it is fair game to have a gentle pop at those on here who have sounded off about one of the reasons they moved rightwards and populist was because of WMD and Blair/Bush, yet this is somehow different then I guess all I can say is.....aw shucks!

Sorry, you thought mentioning that Iran has a new leader in a thread about the leader of Iran was pithy? It's wholly relevant, and nothing wrong with mentioning it's the ex leaders son because again, is wholly relevant. You might just want to read endless threads moaning about Trump but there's more going on than that.

Don't really understand your second paragraph and I've read it three times now.

[JamesWales]

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Indeed. So, one for the Iranian people to sort out, no?

When has the US meddling in other countries affairs ever worked out well? The Iran situation is already playing out as I expected and we'll all be worse off again.

It is ideally one for the Iranian people to sort out, yes, but that is of course extremely difficult when they keep getting killed.

I don't disagree on the enormous risks of US involvement but just moaning about it won't solve anything. It's happening now. There's multiple causes for it and multiple potential outcomes.

US (and western) meddling has worked on many occasions, but it certainly has a very mixed bag in the middle east, that's for sure

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I would imagine that its difficult for decent iranian people to rise up against their leaders if they are dead after being bombed to cripes by the idiotic yanks

[Heathblue]

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Indeed. So, one for the Iranian people to sort out, no?

When has the US meddling in other countries affairs ever worked out well? IMO Never.
The Iran situation is already playing out as I expected and we'll all be worse off again. Some of the Iranian women's football team IMO think this as well, for the heinous crime of not singing their Anthem some have sought refuge in Australia, haven't seen much support for these women from the ccmb VIRTUOS GOD SQUAD and in women's week as well !!!!!, has anyone found any solidarity from other women's teams?

It would appear that the flag waving I'm going on a demo squad only gets excited if you call them Karen's or knee pads? its pile on time then.

[goats]

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Didn’t Donald tell captain useless that the war was already over the other day? It doesn’t really seem like it’s over…….

[Gofer Blue]

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Didn’t Donald tell captain useless that the war was already over the other day? It doesn’t really seem like it’s over…….

He also said that his Operation Epic Fury was the greatest military operation in history. Uhm, do you think he may have accidentally overlooked D-Day for example?

[Dorcus]

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He also said that his Operation Epic Fury was the greatest military operation in history. Uhm, do you think he may have accidentally overlooked D-Day for example?

Donald thinks he is the greatest mortal that has ever lived so there can be no comparison to him and his actions in any shape or form.

[Cyncoed Dave]

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Allegedly according to retired, US Col Douglas Macgregor, every American military base in the Gulf Region has now been destroyed by Iran. In Kuwait, the US military is being completely evacuated out of Kuwait.

[Heathblue]

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Allegedly according to retired, US Col Douglas Macgregor, every American military base in the Gulf Region has now been destroyed by Iran. In Kuwait, the US military is being completely evacuated out of Kuwait.

I do listen to him and Ritter on occasions to get an alternative perspective to the main stream narrative, the pair of them keep doubling down on the American offensive, and that it is not had the effect that Trump maintains, they both hate him especially Ritter but i would expect them to have some back channels to the operation considering their military backgrounds.

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Allegedly according to retired, US Col Douglas Macgregor, every American military base in the Gulf Region has now been destroyed by Iran. In Kuwait, the US military is being completely evacuated out of Kuwait.

Something completely made up as your first post Cyncoed Dave, you're going to fit right in

[Cyncoed Dave]

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The Iranian government have listed terms that the US have to comply with, to bring the current situation to an end.
They include the removal of all sanctions followed by adequate compensation, for all the years that sanctions were imposed on Iran.
The US to leave all Gulf military bases.
Israel to withdraw from all occupied lands.
The return of Gaza's borders to pre October 2023.

Iran are fully aware that for the US to attempt a full scale land invasion, it would require 3 million fully trained, fully equipped.men. That's a huge increase on the current US strength of 470,000 in the US Army.

[Cyncoed Dave]

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I'll try really hard not to disappoint you.