The Donald Trump thread

[CardiffIrish2]

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There were even more there according to this very clever young lady from the alt right brigade ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1018428972818993153

😂😂😂😂

[the other bob wilson]

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They are not my lot, I am merely an impartial observer of happenings.

Fair play, you do make me laugh at times .

[Wales-Bales]

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Fair play, you do make me laugh at times .

I know it's not fashionable, but my comments are evidence based, it's not because I like anybody.

[the other bob wilson]

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I know it's not fashionable, but my comments are evidence based, it's not because I like anybody.

Oh stop, my sides are splitting.

[Wales-Bales]

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Oh stop, my sides are splitting.

You've read Sapiens, so you know how Incredibly easy it is to get people to believe absolutely anything with a little bit of PR and/or propaganda. Once you know the game, you only need to look out for consistencies and inconsistencies on both sides of every story. You are incredibly thorough when researching your football articles, but not so much in the real world. You seem to rely on the work of others, who some may consider a little biased, while totally ignoring contrasting points of view. It's not a critique of you personally, it's how we've all been brought up, in the home and in the classroom.

[lardy]

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This is the most simplistic explanation you are ever going to get on how Russia successfully won its hybrid war against America, using Trump as a figurehead.

All in under three minutes.

Part 1: pic.twitter.com/6FESy2mTZX

— James Patrick (@J_amesp) July 16, 2018

[Wales-Bales]

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This is the most simplistic explanation you are ever going to get on how Russia successfully won its hybrid war against America, using Trump as a figurehead.

All in under three minutes.

Part 1: pic.twitter.com/6FESy2mTZX

— James Patrick (@J_amesp) July 16, 2018

Breaking news .. surveillance of the Trump election team was done via FISA warrants obtained on Carter Page, which relied on unverified information contained in the Steele Dossier that was paid for by Hillary Clinton. Furthermore, operatives leaked classified information to reporters, and then used these news reports as further evidence in the FISA applications. If I'm reading this correctly the entire process was manufactured from start to finish. On a scale of unbelievability, I give this one a 10 out of 10. BTW what's your current opinion on the Trump Russia Collusion, are you still a believer?

[the other bob wilson]

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You've read Sapiens, so you know how Incredibly easy it is to get people to believe absolutely anything with a little bit of PR and/or propaganda. Once you know the game, you only need to look out for consistencies and inconsistencies on both sides of every story. You are incredibly thorough when researching your football articles, but not so much in the real world. You seem to rely on the work of others, who some may consider a little biased, while totally ignoring contrasting points of view. It's not a critique of you personally, it's how we've all been brought up, in the home and in the classroom.

You always try to portray yourself as the independent observer willing to weigh up all of the options before arriving at a decision. On the other hand, I know full well that, politically, I always tend to come at things from the point of view of the values I've had all of my life, so it's reasonable to assume that I get things wrong every now and again. However, in the last week, I started a thread that was critical of the Labour party and I've also said fairly recently on here that I believe Donald Trump should receive credit for his meeting with Kim Jong Un, so, although it doesn't happen too often, I am capable of coming to decisions which go against the grain of my general thinking.
Given the way you portray yourself, I would expect a far more balanced approach from you compared to an old leftie like me, but, during the period that you have posted on politics on here, you have ALWAYS come down on the same side of the argument!
Now, as someone who "knows the game" and recognises the value of PR and propaganda, are you really saying that all of the PR and propaganda from one of the parties playing "the game" is 100% correct and everything from the other one is 100% wrong?
Lately you have taken to bragging about how you have been proved right in so many things that you say. Sorry, but anyone who believes that they are always right and, by implication, everything in the argument they completely support is correct is just showing how much they are ruled by dogma. You talk about propaganda, well, your approach to it seems to be entirely dependent on who is spreading it - at least I'm able to maintain a smidgeon of independent thinking and an ability to be critical of those I'm broadly supportive of, judging by your contributions on here, you've long since lost that facility.

[Wales-Bales]

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You always try to portray yourself as the independent observer willing to weigh up all of the options before arriving at a decision. On the other hand, I know full well that, politically, I always tend to come at things from the point of view of the values I've had all of my life, so it's reasonable to assume that I get things wrong every now and again. However, in the last week, I started a thread that was critical of the Labour party and I've also said fairly recently on here that I believe Donald Trump should receive credit for his meeting with Kim Jong Un, so, although it doesn't happen too often, I am capable of coming to decisions which go against the grain of my general thinking.
Given the way you portray yourself, I would expect a far more balanced approach from you compared to an old leftie like me, but, during the period that you have posted on politics on here, you have ALWAYS come down on the same side of the argument!
Now, as someone who "knows the game" and recognises the value of PR and propaganda, are you really saying that all of the PR and propaganda from one of the parties playing "the game" is 100% correct and everything from the other one is 100% wrong?
Lately you have taken to bragging about how you have been proved right in so many things that you say. Sorry, but anyone who believes that they are always right and, by implication, everything in the argument they completely support is correct is just showing how much they are ruled by dogma. You talk about propaganda, well, your approach to it seems to be entirely dependent on who is spreading it - at least I'm able to maintain a smidgeon of independent thinking and an ability to be critical of those I'm broadly supportive of, judging by your contributions on here, you've long since lost that facility.

Good reply, and I plead guilty to all of the above! There's nothing like a bit of rough and tumble if it's taken in the right spirit, and I'm prepared to take as much as I give. Basically what it all boils down to is confirmation bias, and a skilled media knows how to prey on these biases. For that reason I try to consult source documents, as opposed to comments by unnamed sources. Using this methodology, I was able to make my calls early on, and nothing I have seen since has made me change my mind. I try to leave ideology out of it, and just look at the facts. What drew me to the Trump story was the House of Cards type of plotline, Trump is no good he must go, etc.. In way, it's similar to the Corbyn smears. So yeah, I'm still on the fence, defender of the innocent, not so enamoured with the guilty

[Wales-Bales]

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Congratulations to @JudicialWatch and @TomFitton on being successful in getting the Carter Page FISA documents. As usual they are ridiculously heavily redacted but confirm with little doubt that the Department of “Justice” and FBI misled the courts. Witch Hunt Rigged, a Scam!

3:28 am - 22 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020978929736265729

[the other bob wilson]

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Good reply, and I plead guilty to all of the above! There's nothing like a bit of rough and tumble if it's taken in the right spirit, and I'm prepared to take as much as I give. Basically what it all boils down to is confirmation bias, and a skilled media knows how to prey on these biases. For that reason I try to consult source documents, as opposed to comments by unnamed sources. Using this methodology, I was able to make my calls early on, and nothing I have seen since has made me change my mind. I try to leave ideology out of it, and just look at the facts. What drew me to the Trump story was the House of Cards type of plotline, Trump is no good he must go, etc.. In way, it's similar to the Corbyn smears. So yeah, I'm still on the fence, defender of the innocent, not so enamoured with the guilty

And that's a good, and generous, reply back - I've always said that it wouldn't surprise me if the Clintons were as dodgy as they are portrayed by some and I get the Trump/Corbyn comparison to a degree, but Trump as an innocent fighting for the common man/woman against the forces of evil? That's stretching things too far!

[Wales-Bales]

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And that's a good, and generous, reply back - I've always said that it wouldn't surprise me if the Clintons were as dodgy as they are portrayed by some and I get the Trump/Corbyn comparison to a degree, but Trump as an innocent fighting for the common man/woman against the forces of evil? That's stretching things too far!

I was thinking more along the lines of Trump being innocent of claims that he colluded with Russia

[Wales-Bales]

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

8:24 pm - 22 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021234525626609666

[lardy]

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And that's a good, and generous, reply back - I've always said that it wouldn't surprise me if the Clintons were as dodgy as they are portrayed by some and I get the Trump/Corbyn comparison to a degree, but Trump as an innocent fighting for the common man/woman against the forces of evil? That's stretching things too far!

Don't be fooled, Bob. This guy has posted about pretty much every conspiracy theory you've heard of over the years - all the 9/11 ones, MH370 was really flown to a US airbase, Sandy Hook was a hoax, pizzagate, right up to the present day. His independent sources are Fox, Daily Caller and The Conservative Treehouse.

[Wales-Bales]

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Don't be fooled, Bob. This guy has posted about pretty much every conspiracy theory you've heard of over the years - all the 9/11 ones, MH370 was really flown to a US airbase, Sandy Hook was a hoax, pizzagate, right up to the present day. His independent sources are Fox, Daily Caller and The Conservative Treehouse.

Not quite right lardy, I may have posted links to architects and engineers discussing the technical details from an expert perspective, or videos of people being questioned in official hearings, but these are all fact based and it's up to people to make up their own minds. Lots of official narratives don't quite add up lardy, including your biggie, the Trump Russia Collusion!

What's wrong with the Conservative Treehouse? Most of the analysis they provide is verified over time, and they are usually way ahead of the curve.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/22/oh-my-this-is-either-a-sting-or-the-most-corrupt-u-s-dept-of-justice-in-history/