This flight to Rwanda

[caerkid]

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Any substance to that? It's 2022 not 1622. The church and royal family don't determine immigration policy.

It's possibly the first time since 1622 that they have jointly and openly criticised Tory policy though. Johnson's got what he wanted today from the ECHR and perhaps he's worked out that he hasn't got a reputation to uphold anymore but it's hard to see how you can dig up from policies like this disgrace . Let's all enjoy the rush to the bottom before he finally goes.

[JamesWales]

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It's possibly the first time since 1622 that they have jointly and openly criticised Tory policy though. Johnson's got what he wanted today from the ECHR and perhaps he's worked out that he hasn't got a reputation to uphold anymore but it's hard to see how you can dig up from policies like this disgrace . Let's all enjoy the rush to the bottom before he finally goes.

Again, what is your solution? Or is it okay for a presumably infinite number of people to arrive having paid thousands to criminal gangs to do so?

Is it racist to deny anyone who wants to come here entry? Is it racist to try and break this trade? Should we do nothing about it? Should we do more, like they do in the EU? Watercannons and fences?

If you are going to claim the moral highground, it's better to do so on a solid structure rather than clouds. What actually would you do about it?

For all the noise, I still haven't heard a single solution. I recollect someone did say that we should process them in France - without checking whether France would support that (they wouldnt).

[the other bob wilson]

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Jesus...

"I can't believe the other side waging a culture way!" followed by wild accusations of leave voters being racist (with zero evidence) on a topic that is nothing to do with the referendum (illegal immigration is an issue in or out of the EU and globally) and bafflingly backed up by millionnaire EU home owning Will Self, as if that somehow gives the point legitimacy.

Lets break it down:

1 - In respect of immigration, leaving the EU treats people equally wherever they are from. EU immigration policy undeniably favours people from an overwhelmingly white place (the EU) over people from an overwhelmingly non white place (the rest of the world). Without a question, the EU's immigration policy is more racist.

2 - The EU itself has built fences and used water cannon against migrants. I mean, do you guys just have your fingers in your ears and your hands over your eyes or what? Have you seen what France did to people in Calais? Spain in Melilla? Greece in Turkey? Poland at their borders? Honestly, I can spell it out to you, but it's better you look yourself.

3 - Some of you buy into this absolute myth that Britain is some racist hell hole, for what? For not supporting endless numbers of people arriving via the channel having paid criminal gangs? By nature all of the people will not be British citizens, but doing something about it doesn't make a country racist, it makes them responsible. Putting aside the irony that it's white liberals that are telling the immigrants how racist our country is (in which case why are they coming here), there is no basis for the argument. None at all.

Honestly, these flights will take off, and rightly so. You cannot have a situation where anyone who wants to come here can do so. It is a totally unsustainable situation and you need to come up with some better policies than 'uR aLl RacIsTs' because if and when Labour are in power, there is no chance whatsoever they would tolerate this either.

Talking of wild

I’m not going to apologise for having a different view to you - in fact, I’m pleased I have if you don’t think that anyone voted in the Referendum (or in any election) on racial grounds.

We’ve got a UK Government that dabbles when it comes to the really important issues and can only come out with slogans, gimmicks, law breaking and attacks on the “woke” by means of policies - all the while the official opposition treads on eggshells for fear of offending someone.

[JamesWales]

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Talking of wild

I’m not going to apologise for having a different view to you - in fact, I’m pleased I have if you don’t think that anyone voted in the Referendum (or in any election) on racial grounds.

We’ve got a UK Government that dabbles when it comes to the really important issues and can only come out with slogans, gimmicks law breaking and attacks on the “woke” by means of policies - all the while the official opposition treads on eggshells for fear of offending someone.

Bob, it is the party that you vote for that was recently chastised for racism by the EHRC - but I would never make nudge nudge wink wink allegations that all Labour voters are racists, or perhaps some but not all are etc. Honestly, the lack of self awareness of some of you guys!

Of course there are some racists in any society, but your argument is weak and unfair to just throw it at one side, and it is nothing to do with this case, as you well know.

You don't have any evidence to support what you say, which rather suggests you have no solution to the topic in hand, so are merely distracting by casting aspersions to deflect away from that?

[JamesWales]

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444 people crossed the channel yesterday by the way. Come on lads, whats the solution? Or is there no problem at all?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/at-least-444-people-cross-channel-on-tuesday-highest-daily-figure-for-two-months/ar-AAYu6FV?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=442d643644a147afaddc8d9c9b8fc052

[Rjk]

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444 people crossed the channel yesterday by the way. Come on lads, whats the solution? Or is there no problem at all?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...dc8d9c9b8fc052

clearly trying and failing to fly 6 people to Rwanda isn't the solution then.

I doubt anyone trying to get to the UK has any idea about the latest daft policies dreamt up by this incompetent government, this policy is just here to get newspaper inches and appear tough on "immigrants" (refugees)

[caerkid]

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Again, what is your solution? Or is it okay for a presumably infinite number of people to arrive having paid thousands to criminal gangs to do so?

If you are going to claim the moral highground, it's better to do so on a solid structure rather than clouds. What actually would you do about it?

For all the noise, I still haven't heard a single solution. I recollect someone did say that we should process them in France - without checking whether France would support that (they wouldnt).

Again, let's start with not sending exploited vulnerable people to Rwanda and work up from there.

"but whaddabout the EU?" - You won, get over it.

[JamesWales]

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Again, let's start with not sending exploited vulnerable people to Rwanda and work up from there.

"but whaddabout the EU?" - You won, get over it.

You still don't have a solution at all then?

[JamesWales]

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clearly trying and failing to fly 6 people to Rwanda isn't the solution then.

I doubt anyone trying to get to the UK has any idea about the latest daft policies dreamt up by this incompetent government, this policy is just here to get newspaper inches and appear tough on "immigrants" (refugees)

Unless you hadn't noticed, no flights have happened yet.

[Rjk]

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Unless you hadn't noticed, no flights have happened yet.

the government have done ZERO analysis of how running these flights will affect the number of people crossing the channel.
I would suggest that almost all the people crossing would have zero idea the policy even exists, and those that do know will probably take their chances.

[rudy gestede]

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Whole thing is just a stunt to signal to their base and keep them voting for them. There is no actual genuine benefit to it at all.

If this gets you going well done for being thick as shit and gullible as well as a horrible c*nt.

[caerkid]

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You still don't have a solution at all then?

I'll start preparing the policy document now boss but fully accept that until then there is obviously no other option than Rwanda.

If anyone else feels strongly on this then https://detentionaction.org.uk/ is a good place to start.

[life on mars]

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So much hypocrisy about :

I'd bolster the Rwanda process by setting up a UK Asylum Gateway Unit .

Great the Human Rights Commission is involved presume they are aware of the 130,000 refugees
in Rwanda already migrants from other African nations and middle eastern countries .

Is Rwanda a country that has now changed ( or allowed to change )

Rwanda maybe see a chance to change they are holding a National Commission for Human Rights in Rwanda tomorrow and Friday .

As Rwanda GDP rises as does perhaps its time to allow then to prove they are a faire country and genuinely needs workers its GDP went up 10.50 USD Billion by the end of 2021, according to Trading Economics global analysts expectations the long-term GDP is looking good moving to 11.00 / 11.50 USD Billion.

This issue would go away tomorrow if Western society funded/fixed those countries where migrants flow from just sucking migrants them into countries they are not part of f it leaves those countries in even worse poverty .

Europe has created this problem by its open borders problem .

France to accept UK offers of UK personal on their shores .

Perhaps the demonstrators should sit outside the French embassy to stop the boats .

This is all come about because the lorry routes have been closed down nothing to do with Brexit and you can clearly see the boats.

Maybe the European Border and Coast Guard Agency ( Frontex ) should be looked at and asked why so many cross many sage European countries is it case they are as racist and not welcoming as some say Rwanda is or could be (from French: Frontières extérieures for "external borders"), is an agency of the European Union

2021 ( Known ) illegal rates was 35k per year can that continue is big question year on year , will it increase, how many are not reported as arriving everyone of of them need access to free housing, health , education , benefits support .

Of course Rwanda is not the answer, France and EU has that in its gift but is still pissed over Brexit and don't like these migrants on their patch either , yes they have them arrive and may take more in , but hey they don't want them and hide behind the European Courts Of Rights decisions but don't deal with its onw racism and poverty.

It has been quite striking how Europe treated the white Ukrainian migrants no camps for them , hotels and houses.

If folk in the UK feel that strongly about these migrants step up offer them a spare room in particular the leftie lawyers making a fortune from legal aid fence cases .

Where is the alternative solution or is it case let them in for politcial correctness and voter appeal ?? but what about the NIMBY's .

Labour needs to say something better than we must talk to our European partners which is the current PR issued statement ..

This is a clever move by the Tories to move away from cake gate / economy / if you notice there is the NI Protocol its to get folk to think hey they are doing stuff , oooh look at them lefties no plans , next we will see the Liberal / Labour accusation to re join the single currency...

Perhaps Labour simply needs to say some anti Tory stuff we agree with :

Scottish / Welsh / NI referendums on independence
Strikes
Raising benefits.
Join the European single currency
Join the European Schengen Area and its policies .
Let all migrants in.
Give everyone a 15% rise .
Tax everyone 60% on earnings over 100k
Get rid of student loans.
Nationalise utilities.
Minimum wages all ages to £15 an hour
Free nursery places form age of 3 .

[the other bob wilson]

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Bob, it is the party that you vote for that was recently chastised for racism by the EHRC - but I would never make nudge nudge wink wink allegations that all Labour voters are racists, or perhaps some but not all are etc. Honestly, the lack of self awareness of some of you guys!

Of course there are some racists in any society, but your argument is weak and unfair to just throw it at one side, and it is nothing to do with this case, as you well know.

You don't have any evidence to support what you say, which rather suggests you have no solution to the topic in hand, so are merely distracting by casting aspersions to deflect away from that?

You’re making huge assumptions there. First, the only claim I’ve made about the Labour Party in this thread is that they seem scared of their own shadow under Starmer and I’ve never denied that there was a problem under Corbyn when it came to anti Semitism. Also, I don’t know how I can make it more clear that I don’t believe all Leave voters and Tories to be racists, but I’ll always believe that the way the Referendum campaign was conducted put immigration front and centre as an issue and, no matter how much you try to deny it, that among those that centre on immigration as a big issue in this country, there are a proportion who do so on racist grounds.

Do you think the Government do not know this? Do you not think that they know there are a small percentage of easy votes to be gained by pandering to those who rate immigration as among the greatest threats facing the country today? Don’t you think it a bit fishy that the fly em to Rwanda scheme didn’t materialise until Johnson was under increased partygate pressure? Finally, as far as the “well, what would you do?” line that is parroted by the Government’s supporters goes, were any of you proposing the Rwanda solution before Johnson and co did? Of course you weren’t, because it’s a bonkers idea designed purely to move the discussion onto something the Government are happier talking about.

[Tito Fuente]

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444 people crossed the channel yesterday by the way. Come on lads, whats the solution? Or is there no problem at all?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...dc8d9c9b8fc052

It was only a few weeks ago that you were posting the figures for channel crossings as being zero and believing that the announcement of the Rwanda policy was the reason for it due to it being a deterrent.

Since nobody with any immigration expertise on a football messageboard can come up with a viable solution to an issue that several governments have been unable to solve, in your eyes we have to blindly accept a policy that goes against our morals until we come up with a better one.

Ok mate