This flight to Rwanda

[William Treseder]

Re: This flight to Rwanda

I know a Rwandan fella in Barry who escaped the civil war and lives here

He says the country is still incredibly corrupt and people vanish ......and are clearly executed..... on a regular basis

And we are dealing with them ?

It's almost a case of ......is this woman serious ? Yep

Fair do’s Sludgie boy. Is there anyone you don’t know 😂

[Tito Fuente]

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So much hypocrisy about :

I'd bolster the Rwanda process by setting up a UK Asylum Gateway Unit .

Great the Human Rights Commission is involved presume they are aware of the 130,000 refugees
in Rwanda already migrants from other African nations and middle eastern countries .

Is Rwanda a country that has now changed ( or allowed to change )

Rwanda maybe see a chance to change they are holding a National Commission for Human Rights in Rwanda tomorrow and Friday .

As Rwanda GDP rises as does perhaps its time to allow then to prove they are a faire country and genuinely needs workers its GDP went up 10.50 USD Billion by the end of 2021, according to Trading Economics global analysts expectations the long-term GDP is looking good moving to 11.00 / 11.50 USD Billion.

This issue would go away tomorrow if Western society funded/fixed those countries where migrants flow from just sucking migrants them into countries they are not part of f it leaves those countries in even worse poverty .

Europe has created this problem by its open borders problem .

France to accept UK offers of UK personal on their shores .

Perhaps the demonstrators should sit outside the French embassy to stop the boats .

This is all come about because the lorry routes have been closed down nothing to do with Brexit and you can clearly see the boats.

Maybe the European Border and Coast Guard Agency ( Frontex ) should be looked at and asked why so many cross many sage European countries is it case they are as racist and not welcoming as some say Rwanda is or could be (from French: Frontières extérieures for "external borders"), is an agency of the European Union

2021 ( Known ) illegal rates was 35k per year can that continue is big question year on year , will it increase, how many are not reported as arriving everyone of of them need access to free housing, health , education , benefits support .

Of course Rwanda is not the answer, France and EU has that in its gift but is still pissed over Brexit and don't like these migrants on their patch either , yes they have them arrive and may take more in , but hey they don't want them and hide behind the European Courts Of Rights decisions but don't deal with its onw racism and poverty.

It has been quite striking how Europe treated the white Ukrainian migrants no camps for them , hotels and houses.

If folk in the UK feel that strongly about these migrants step up offer them a spare room in particular the leftie lawyers making a fortune from legal aid fence cases .

Where is the alternative solution or is it case let them in for politcial correctness and voter appeal ?? but what about the NIMBY's .

Labour needs to say something better than we must talk to our European partners which is the current PR issued statement ..

This is a clever move by the Tories to move away from cake gate / economy / if you notice there is the NI Protocol its to get folk to think hey they are doing stuff , oooh look at them lefties no plans , next we will see the Liberal / Labour accusation to re join the single currency...

Perhaps Labour simply needs to say some anti Tory stuff we agree with :

Scottish / Welsh / NI referendums on independence
Strikes
Raising benefits.
Join the European single currency
Join the European Schengen Area and its policies .
Let all migrants in.
Give everyone a 15% rise .
Tax everyone 60% on earnings over 100k
Get rid of student loans.
Nationalise utilities.
Minimum wages all ages to £15 an hour
Free nursery places form age of 3 .

You forgot "nationalise the railways" and "the government paying wages instead of businesses".

Wait, sorry. They were socialist policies that you said you wanted

[JamesWales]

Re: This flight to Rwanda

in your eyes we have to blindly accept a policy that goes against our morals until we come up with a better one.

Ok mate

No, you don't have to do anything. But peoples opposition to something is much stronger if they can suggest a viable alternative. Unless you support the status quo, which is fine, but people do seem to acknowledge an issue, they just can't suggest a means to dealing with it.

That's especially the case when the moral high ground is being claimed and accusations of racism are being thrown around like confetti.

444 people arrived yesterday. We have no idea who they are (yet) all to be housed, processed, cared for, all whilst others are entering legally, and all whilst enriching criminal gangs and people smugglers.

The situation is shit! There's little morality in just criticising a proposal and offering nothing in return IMO

[Vindec]

Re: This flight to Rwanda

Most sensible people will accept there is a problem but not one of them, including myself, can suggest a viable alternative. Some say set up an asylum processing centre in France. What then happens to those who fail the asylum process? Deport them to their point of origin some say. But the country at their point of origin may refuse to have them back or worse still the seekers will have destroyed their papers meaning they are effectively stateless. It seems it all comes back to the Rwanda solution as the least worse option unless we are content to allow things to continue as they are.

[Lither_1927]

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You’re making huge assumptions there. First, the only claim I’ve made about the Labour Party in this thread is that they seem scared of their own shadow under Starmer and I’ve never denied that there was a problem under Corbyn when it came to anti Semitism. Also, I don’t know how I can make it more clear that I don’t believe all Leave voters and Tories to be racists, but I’ll always believe that the way the Referendum campaign was conducted put immigration front and centre as an issue and, no matter how much you try to deny it, that among those that centre on immigration as a big issue in this country, there are a proportion who do so on racist grounds.

Do you think the Government do not know this? Do you not think that they know there are a small percentage of easy votes to be gained by pandering to those who rate immigration as among the greatest threats facing the country today? Don’t you think it a bit fishy that the fly em to Rwanda scheme didn’t materialise until Johnson was under increased partygate pressure? Finally, as far as the “well, what would you do?” line that is parroted by the Government’s supporters goes, were any of you proposing the Rwanda solution before Johnson and co did? Of course you weren’t, because it’s a bonkers idea designed purely to move the discussion onto something the Government are happier talking about.

If you genuinely believe Jeremy Corbyn was an anti semite then you are a victim of the MSM witch hunt to such a degree, that there isn't much hope for you as an independentcritical thinker.

All these people on this thread virtue signalling, if you want Britain to become a third world country. Keep importing the 3rd world. Hopefully you can house some in your spare bedrooms in your white ethno towns that you CHOOSE to live in.
We are taking in an immigrant population over the size of Cardiff each year, so unless you want to start concreting over the green belt, something has to give. As for this Rwanda stunt, it's exactly that. A stunt. Boris let in 1 million migrants last year. He's a joke who is making fools of white working class folk who are most affected by mass immigration.

[Lither_1927]

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Most sensible people will accept there is a problem but not one of them, including myself, can suggest a viable alternative. Some say set up an asylum processing centre in France. What then happens to those who fail the asylum process? Deport them to their point of origin some say. But the country at their point of origin may refuse to have them back or worse still the seekers will have destroyed their papers meaning they are effectively stateless. It seems it all comes back to the Rwanda solution as the least worse option unless we are content to allow things to continue as they are.

If we started deporting them the whole racquet would end within months, they'd stop coming.

[Rjk]

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If we started deporting them the whole racquet would end within months, they'd stop coming.

based on what?

[Lither_1927]

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Fair do’s Sludgie boy. Is there anyone you don’t know 😂

He chooses to live in a white ethno town. 99.9% white.
why he feels he can lecture others about taking on mass immigration i don't know. He's either a very dedicated wind up merchant or a bit tapped in the head

[Lither_1927]

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based on what?

Based on basic economics of supply and demand. These economic migrants only began coming when the word got out that Western Europe was a soft touch.This phenomenon only began in a massive way during the 90s.

[jon1959]

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'the true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members'

It's hard to see how anyone can support this other than those so emotionally damaged that they take pleasure from hurting those who are worse off .Unfortunately now that Johnson is under pressure he will need to appeal more and more to the nutters on the back benches. Hopefully it's the death throes of a dead duck prime minister and his cult of wierdos but who knows how long it will continue with this awful lot.

Still, let's not criticise because the ex,ex,ex,ex leader of labour once thought about a similar policy for half an hour decades ago so let's just shout whatabout instead. It's a tragedy that the current Labour party are unable to condemn this scheme too heavily, other than for a cost reason, but the fact that they have to be careful to always appeal to Sun readers shows just who runs this country.

The idea that this would stop anyone from trying to get to the UK (often to be with their family) is a joke. It's already a journey which involves significant risk of harm/death so why would a 1 in godknows how big a number chance of being sent to Rwanda put anyone off ?

Claiming moral high ground? TICK
Anyone who thinks differently is a nutter? TICK
Defending Corbyn? TICK
Random comment on the Sun? TICK
Total absence of understanding of the issue? TICK
Total absence of any viable solution? TICK

JamesWales being an arse? TICK

[the other bob wilson]

Re: This flight to Rwanda

If you genuinely believe Jeremy Corbyn was an anti semite then you are a victim of the MSM witch hunt to such a degree, that there isn't much hope for you as an independentcritical thinker.

All these people on this thread virtue signalling, if you want Britain to become a third world country. Keep importing the 3rd world. Hopefully you can house some in your spare bedrooms in your white ethno towns that you CHOOSE to live in.
We are taking in an immigrant population over the size of Cardiff each year, so unless you want to start concreting over the green belt, something has to give. As for this Rwanda stunt, it's exactly that. A stunt. Boris let in 1 million migrants last year. He's a joke who is making fools of white working class folk who are most affected by mass immigration.

Yay, bonus points for the use of the cliches virtue signalling and independent/critical thinker.

I said there was a problem under Corbyn, not that he’s an anti Semite - I don’t think it’s quite the same thing.

Agree about the use of the word stunt to describe the Rwanda sideshow.

[Vindec]

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If we started deporting them the whole racquet would end within months, they'd stop coming.

Sadly most haven't got papers as they are told to destroy or are confiscated by the traffickers meaning there is nowhere to deport them to. Nobody has yet come up with a viable solution.

[life on mars]

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You forgot "nationalise the railways" and "the government paying wages instead of businesses".

Wait, sorry. They were socialist policies that you said you wanted

Glad there is an acceptance of reality and humour in you reply everything I listed would be sizable to fund on top of the 400 billion already spent , plus the fuel subsidy support on its way , we need to cut taxes , for people , and business not chuck more subsidy around it will fire the inflation , qwhat is good is that unemployment is incredibly low .

[life on mars]

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JamesWales being an arse? TICK

Rude Socialist reply instead of debate ( tick )

[JamesWales]

Re: This flight to Rwanda

JamesWales being an arse? TICK

Thanks hun.

I do understand that the void where solutions can be written has to be filled with something and typically that is an ad hominem attack.