This flight to Rwanda

[caerkid]

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There's little morality in just criticising a proposal and offering nothing in return IMO

Funnily enough my morals feel fine with which side of the 'dont send trafficked people to Rwanda' argument I'm standing on.

You say I'm taking the high ground but an ant's dangly bits couldn't get lower than our government on this one.

[jon1959]

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Rude Socialist reply instead of debate ( tick )

I am just quoting JamesWales own words back to him. You remember surely - from the Politics Board just a few days ago where James and Dry Cleaning were doing their Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nadine Dories double act, and you were doing your best Michael Fabricant impression as back up.

As for debate, it is clear that illegal migration is a problem (for the migrants as well) with no easy solutions. Especially as the migrants are a mix of people looking for a better life and those who have suffered threats and torture. I would be on the side of the argument that focusses on prevention more than cure. Brutal regimes (sometimes backed by our government and allies), shattered economies (often in the Middle East following NATO attacks), dysfunctional international relationships that hinder joint action (increasingly with the EU), and a lack of resources to target the criminal gangs smuggling people - migrants, asylum seekers and trafficked women and children - go for the dealers before the users.

What I wouldn't jump on and defend is a cynical deflection policy of removing people without a fair or legal process (see posts above) that is massively expensive, cobbled together as red meat for Tory voters, and places vulnerable people in legal or administrative limbo on a different continent through a contract with a state that is still accused of human rights abuses. At least the ECRH has put a temporary stop on this - and prevented a 54 year old Iraqi torture victim being used as a prop in the Tory culture wars!

[Lither_1927]

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Funnily enough my morals feel fine with which side of the 'dont send trafficked people to Rwanda' argument I'm standing on.

You say I'm taking the high ground but an ant's dangly bits couldn't get lower than our government on this one.

These trafficked people are paying 5.000 pounds a go and they're coming from a safe secure country. They are economic migrants chancing their arm.
And they're massively encouraged by NGOs funded by Jewish Billionaire Soros and Co

[JamesWales]

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I am just quoting JamesWales own words back to him. You remember surely - from the Politics Board just a few days ago where James and Dry Cleaning were doing their Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nadine Dories double act, and you were doing your best Michael Fabricant impression as back up.

As for debate, it is clear that illegal migration is a problem (for the migrants as well) with no easy solutions. Especially as the migrants are a mix of people looking for a better life and those who have suffered threats and torture. I would be on the side of the argument that focusses on prevention more than cure. Brutal regimes (sometimes backed by our government and allies), shattered economies (often in the Middle East following NATO attacks), dysfunctional international relationships that hinder joint action (increasingly with the EU), and a lack of resources to target the criminal gangs smuggling people - migrants, asylum seekers and trafficked women and children - go for the dealers before the users.

What I wouldn't jump on and defend is a cynical deflection policy of removing people without a fair or legal process (see posts above) that is massively expensive, cobbled together as red meat for Tory voters, and places vulnerable people in legal or administrative limbo on a different continent through a contract with a state that is still accused of human rights abuses. At least the ECRH has put a temporary stop on this - and prevented a 54 year old Iraqi torture victim being used as a prop in the Tory culture wars!

Expensive! Don't make me laugh! We are, correct me if I am wrong, spending nearly £5m a day to house people coming from a safe country (from the blessed EU no less!) who are rich enough to jump the queue and fund criminal gangs to get here ahead of other people who apply legally.

That's £35m a week, when the country supposedly cannot afford a hundred other things.

This is an extremely complex situation, that is true, and we have to have empathy and clearly prevention is better than cure, correct, but we are where we are and the situation needs sorting because the situation is being massively exploited.

From what I can see, as a floating voter, one side are trying to sort it. The other are offering zero solutions and filling that gap with insults at those who are at least offering them.

[Rjk]

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Expensive! Don't make me laugh! We are, correct me if I am wrong, spending nearly £5m a day to house people coming from a safe country (from the blessed EU no less!) who are rich enough to jump the queue and fund criminal gangs to get here ahead of other people who apply legally.

That's £35m a week, when the country supposedly cannot afford a hundred other things.

This is an extremely complex situation, that is true, and we have to have empathy and clearly prevention is better than cure, correct, but we are where we are and the situation needs sorting because the situation is being massively exploited.

From what I can see, as a floating voter, one side are trying to sort it. The other are offering zero solutions and filling that gap with insults at those who are at least offering them.

floating voter??

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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These trafficked people are paying 5.000 pounds a go and they're coming from a safe secure country. They are economic migrants chancing their arm.
And they're massively encouraged by NGOs funded by Jewish Billionaire Soros and Co

Ah, there we have it - blame the Jews.

[JamesWales]

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floating voter??

Yeah. I split my vote in the last local elections.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Yeah. I split my vote in the last local elections.

Ukip and Tory?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Fair do’s Sludgie boy. Is there anyone you don’t know 😂

I know stanni , for that is his name , very well

[JamesWales]

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Ukip and Tory?

Tory and Labour.

The fact that I debate with far-left people and those who view things completely in black and white terms on here when I think they are wrong doesn't mean I don't recognise there are fine Labour councillors and a sensible party there beneath it all.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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He chooses to live in a white ethno town. 99.9% white.
why he feels he can lecture others about taking on mass immigration i don't know. He's either a very dedicated wind up merchant or a bit tapped in the head

I am moving soon . I might move in next door to you 😏

[Lither_1927]

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I am moving soon . I might move in next door to you 😏

Haha
Cowbridge not white enough for you any more?

[Lither_1927]

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Ah, there we have it - blame the Jews.

Jews are generally big proponents of immigration into Europe and America, they openly boast about it. Yet they don't want immigration into Isreal which has extremely strict immigration laws.
Here's a quote from Barbara Learner Spectre, a very influential Jewish advocate of mass immigration.

"Europa has not yet learned how to be multicultural. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and jews will be resented for our leading role”

[Rjk]

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Jews are generally big proponents of immigration into Europe and America, they openly boast about it. Yet they don't want immigration into Isreal which has extremely strict immigration laws.
Here's a quote from Barbara Learner Spectre, a very influential Jewish advocate of mass immigration.

"Europa has not yet learned how to be multicultural. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and jews will be resented for our leading role”

and so he doubles down with some more anti semitism

[Lither_1927]

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and so he doubles down with some more anti semitism

I'm not being anti semitic.
What have i said that's inaccurate?

How is it anti semetic to say Jews are big advocates of mass immigration. When the adjoining quote confirms it?