Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[goats]

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What’s all the fuss about eh? It will be gone soon anyway......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/23/coronavirus-dies-within-70-days-no-matter-tackle-claims-professor/

[Wales-Bales]

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The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

[surge]

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Toby Helm is the Observer's Political Editor:

Downing Street trying to get us to say trust in government not declining and to rewrite this story with new headline. Request refused. We are not edited by Downing Street.

I am told Downing Street also barred Sunday Times from asking questions at its briefing because they dared to criticise govt's response to Coronavirus. Surely not so in an advanced democracy.

I am also told that if any other newspaper helped the Sunday Times they would be barred from asking questions at the briefing too. Surely none of this can be true.

Of course we should be asking who has told them this, but don't forget that "The Fidesz government has been accused of "silencing media" and controlling all major media outlets in Hungary, thus creating an echo chamber that has excluded alternative political voices."

[Croesy Blue]

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The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent,

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent

This jumps out at me from that article. That’s terrifying still isn’t it?

You wouldn’t do anything else that gave you a 1 in 10,000 chance of death.

All this while social distancing is going on too.

Then this:

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent

So if we let the whole country get it and the hospitals could cope we’d end up, on best estimate, with 65,000 dead. And that rate is based on social distancing too.


Then this bit

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.

Why not give the rate for 45-75? Is it because it wouldn’t fit the its not that bad narrative?

It would have been better to have had a better response earlier but since we can surely 2 or 3 months pain to get this under control is better than letting a lot of people die?

[the other bob wilson]

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What did Sadiq do?

Join the Labour party.

[Wales-Bales]

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The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.

[the other bob wilson]

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An article I read yesterday on the Observer website talked about concerns in the scientific community that the new cases per day figure is stubbornly refusing to drop by the expected amounts as the "levelling off" period enters another week. The Government's scientists, reasonably, make the point that the increase in number of tests per day of around 50 to 70 per cent seen in the last week to ten days has to mean that the daily number of new cases would rise, the fact that these figures have tended to remain at the levels of a fortnight ago is, effectively, proof that the number of new cases per day is declining.

However, isn't that defence really just an admission of the inadequacies of the earlier approach? Much fuss was made of the 20,000 deaths figure being passed on Saturday, but, again, that figure is recognised as being a false one now because it is for hospital deaths only - the real truth is that the 20,000 figure had been reached days earlier. About three weeks ago, a projection showing as many as 66,000 deaths in the UK (more than three times as many as any other European country). Due to them constantly over estimating the daily death figure by hundreds, that 66,000 has been revised downwards now to 32,000 which would still make us the worst affected European country, but I'd say now that the very slight possibility exists for the first time that their figure may be an under estimate now - even if we only use the hospital deaths figure, more than a thousand people have been dying every two days for a few weeks now and, with any downturn in new cases only tending to be reflected in the deaths figures about a fortnight later, that trend could go on for a while yet.

[the other bob wilson]

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The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.

Anyone else notice how people who describe themselves as "free thinkers" always say the same things?

[tell it like it is]

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Join the Labour party.

One of many flaws.

I'd have thought given the increasing number of idiots gathering there Thursday evenings, closing the bridge then would prevent social distancing being flouted.

Then again, Khan was the guy who felt it appropriate to cut the number of tube carriages meaning even though less people were on the trains, social distancing was ****ed as people jammed in...

[Croesy Blue]

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The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.

Maybe go and read page 1 again about why the direct death rate isn’t the biggest issue.

Then consider that a 0.1% death rate during a lockdown maybe isn’t very good.

[Eric Cartman]

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The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation

This is not a new take. How do you cocoon the elderly/at risk? We haven't even managed to keep care homes safe. Until you can square that circle we are where we are.

[Eric Cartman]

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One of many flaws.

I'd have thought given the increasing number of idiots gathering there Thursday evenings, closing the bridge then would prevent social distancing being flouted.

Then again, Khan was the guy who felt it appropriate to cut the number of tube carriages meaning even though less people were on the trains, social distancing was ****ed as people jammed in...

This is an extra special reach that deserves recognition. You need to try and take politics less personally and not get emotionally drawn in.

[Croesy Blue]

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Closing Westminster bridge

[Jordi Culé]

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One of many flaws.

I'd have thought given the increasing number of idiots gathering there Thursday evenings, closing the bridge then would prevent social distancing being flouted.

Then again, Khan was the guy who felt it appropriate to cut the number of tube carriages meaning even though less people were on the trains, social distancing was ****ed as people jammed in...

Perhaps Khan was encouraging 'Herd Immunity' without actually stating it?

It was all the rage back in late March.

[Wales-Bales]

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This is not a new take. How do you cocoon the elderly/at risk? We haven't even managed to keep care homes safe. Until you can square that circle we are where we are.

If the global economy crashes people will die in the hundreds of millions. Until you can square that circle we are heading towards an unprecedented catastrophe of epic proportions.