Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Rjk]

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The "alternate SAGE" group somewhat inconveniently only features scientists linked to Labour. I'd have thought a more balanced group would have been sought to deflect accusations of political bias?

Science is science, there is no link to labour or conservative

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Science is science, there is no link to labour or conservative

That's not how right wing politics works. Take the 'B' word. An overwhelming majority of economists have predicted it will affect us negatively, so accuse political economists of being lefties, bring in right wing economists (who are in the small minority) to provide balance. The balance isn't a natural one.

Say there were 1000 doctors concerned about the NHS. The Tory media would deflect it, find a handful of doctors who aren't concerned and use them as balance. Of course the balance isn't real, it's all smoke and mirrors. The same would probably be true of Labour. I'd rather listen to the experts free of political interference.

[Croesy Blue]

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I know how it works dummy. If people can do all the other things they will be permitted to do after lockdown is lifted the powers-that be will struggle to convince the average working man/woman that they cannot go to the pub. And if they continue to refuse permission for pubs to open they will destroy an industry which is already under threat anyway and which is part of a great majority of the nromal day to day life of british people.

If you understand how it works you'd understand that this is stupid:

Well I don't actrually see much wrong with that. after lockdown Just because they are open it doesn't force people to go and they can spar wide if they wish. Saying they are open but don't go after the lockdown is at least giving people an informed cxhoice. Knowing the risk if they choose to go they can.

[Croesy Blue]

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Who are also individuals. And the same "carrier" can do exactly the same thing at work or on the way there or their way home. And someone catching it at work will still endanger everyone he meets after work.

My point is that the average man in the street will see that its no difference to him going to work and putting himself at risk so will baulk at being continally told he cannot do the things he wants but can do the things he must.

The trace and track app will help people to know if they have been in contact and hopefully they will then isolate when told.

Pubs and restaurants are some of the places where it spreads easily and they aren't a "necessity"

[goats]

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Pubs and restaurants are some of the places where it spreads easily and they aren't a "necessity"

Hence they won’t be opening for a long time yet

[Croesy Blue]

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Hence they won’t be opening for a long time yet

Yep, unless they have a big outside space it'll be a while until we can get a pint unfortunately

[xsnaggle]

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If you understand how it works you'd understand that this is stupid:

you are so quick to be holier than thou and all knowledgable but you carefylly avoid the point of what I was saying, as you normally do when you try to be clever with people.
I never said "I want the pubs open now". What I was actually saying was if they do keep the pubs closed for months and months and tell the ordinary working man and woman that they can go to work and put themselves at risk and pay their taxes but they cannot make the choicer, knowing the risks of actually enjoying the fruit of their labour, forbidden to go for a pint after work or on a sunny sunday lunchtime, then the general population will start to get very pissed off with the government that is telling them the thing they have to do is OK but the thing they want to do in not, and you will start to see more and more people ignoring government asdvice across the board. It also risks more and more pubs never openiong their doors again, and they are businesses that employ people just as primark, M&S and all the others are.
That is the point of what I was saying.
And if you beleive that the social distancing measure put in place in officees and factories will last longer than a short while as people get used to the old routine then you live in cloud cuckoo land. The risk of going ot the workplace and the risk of going to a pub are decisions the individual must make.
If the say people can work then bosses will tell them to work and if the feel it is not safe and stay home they will be in danger of losing their jobs because they are refusing to work when the govsaid its OK. So they will feel that if they must do that why cannot they have the choice to take the risk of going to a pub or restaurant? It's the way people think

[tell it like it is]

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Science is science, there is no link to labour or conservative

Ah, ok then, so it's merely a statistical coincidence all in the alternative SAGE have links to the Labour party then...

Given the range of interpretations of the science, changing day by day, why do I get the impression said alternative group will never praise the government?

[Rjk]

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Ah, ok then, so it's merely a statistical coincidence all in the alternative SAGE have links to the Labour party then...

Given the range of interpretations of the science, changing day by day, why do I get the impression said alternative group will never praise the government?

Why would they praise the government. They should be giving a transparent assessment of the latest available data

[Eric Cartman]

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Ah, ok then, so it's merely a statistical coincidence all in the alternative SAGE have links to the Labour party then...

Given the range of interpretations of the science, changing day by day, why do I get the impression said alternative group will never praise the government?

Praise the government? Is that all that matters to you??

[Hilts]

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Praise the government. 😂😂😂😂

[tell it like it is]

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Why would they praise the government. They should be giving a transparent assessment of the latest available data

Praise where it's deserved, criticism where it's deserved. Can't do one without the other if you're an impartial group.

The alternative group cannot claim to be independent given it's composition. It's nowhere near the size of the SAGE group either.

[tell it like it is]

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Praise the government? Is that all that matters to you??

Not at all. I can see why the point flies over your head though.

[Croesy Blue]

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you are so quick to be holier than thou and all knowledgable but you carefylly avoid the point of what I was saying, as you normally do when you try to be clever with people.
I never said "I want the pubs open now". What I was actually saying was if they do keep the pubs closed for months and months and tell the ordinary working man and woman that they can go to work and put themselves at risk and pay their taxes but they cannot make the choicer, knowing the risks of actually enjoying the fruit of their labour, forbidden to go for a pint after work or on a sunny sunday lunchtime, then the general population will start to get very pissed off with the government that is telling them the thing they have to do is OK but the thing they want to do in not, and you will start to see more and more people ignoring government asdvice across the board. It also risks more and more pubs never openiong their doors again, and they are businesses that employ people just as primark, M&S and all the others are.
That is the point of what I was saying.
And if you beleive that the social distancing measure put in place in officees and factories will last longer than a short while as people get used to the old routine then you live in cloud cuckoo land. The risk of going ot the workplace and the risk of going to a pub are decisions the individual must make.
If the say people can work then bosses will tell them to work and if the feel it is not safe and stay home they will be in danger of losing their jobs because they are refusing to work when the govsaid its OK. So they will feel that if they must do that why cannot they have the choice to take the risk of going to a pub or restaurant? It's the way people think

Are you on your period or something? I quoted exactly what you said on the last page.

It's an unfortunate situation but yes people will have to go to work and not be able to go for a pint for a while. I apologise but I can't read all of this wall of text but it appears to be a mad rant anyway.

They can't take the risk because it isn't just a risk for them it's a risk for everyone.

[Croesy Blue]

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Ah, ok then, so it's merely a statistical coincidence all in the alternative SAGE have links to the Labour party then...

Given the range of interpretations of the science, changing day by day, why do I get the impression said alternative group will never praise the government?

Sounds like you'd prefer to live in North Korea.

Why would anyone praise he curren government?!