Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-advice

[xsnaggle]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ovid-19-advice

There is a discrepancy of nearly 50,000 in their figures, the second time at least they have made this basic error in an article. It doesn't exactly give you confidence in the rest of the information does it?

[goats]

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New York death rate could have been as much as 80% lower had they introduced social distancing two weeks earlier.

I wonder if we'll see a similar analysis of data for the UK.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...-weeks-earlier

Definitely. A big one was letting 45000 Brits fly off to Europe ski ing the Friday just before the lockdown here I think it was, most of the slopes were then shut the following day so all of them had to find a flight back, chaos everywhere.

[goats]

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No real changes in the lockdown then for wales.....

[cyril evans awaydays]

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There is a discrepancy of nearly 50,000 in their figures, the second time at least they have made this basic error in an article. It doesn't exactly give you confidence in the rest of the information does it?

Isn't it copied from the Official Gov.UK site though?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#category=nations&map=rate

[the other bob wilson]

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No real changes in the lockdown then for wales.....

An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52584690

[xsnaggle]

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Isn't it copied from the Official Gov.UK site though?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#cat...tions&map=rate

So a paper that continually knocks the government (often quite righlty) takes a set of numbers from that same govenment and prints them in a national daily without someone doing the simple sum of adding them up or taking them away?

Aboslutely stunning journalism!!!!!

[The Lone Gunman]

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An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday

I wonder how many people in Wales have restricted themselves to one outdoors exercise session per day because of the guidelines but will now increase to two? I can’t imagine it’ll be many. I reckon pretty much everyone who has wanted to exercise outside twice a day has already been doing just that.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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So a paper that continually knocks the government (often quite righlty) takes a set of numbers from that same govenment and prints them in a national daily without someone doing the simple sum of adding them up or taking them away?

Aboslutely stunning journalism!!!!!

What? You are blaming the Guardian for reprinting the UK government's official statistics from Public Health Englands dashboard. The About Data part of the GOV.UK website explains the discrepancy

COVID-19 cases are identified by taking specimens from people and sending these specimens to laboratories around the UK to be tested. If the test is positive, this is a referred to as a lab-confirmed case.

There are separate reporting processes for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Each Nation provides data based on tests carried out in NHS (and PHE) laboratories. These represent 'pillar 1' of the Government's mass testing programme. The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) combines the counts from the 4 Nations, and adds data from tests carried out by commercial partners ('pillar 2' of the mass-testing programme) to give daily and total (cumulative) counts of lab-confirmed cases. These are submitted to Public Health England (PHE) to display on the dashboard. The 4 figures are not all taken from the same cut-off time: England and Scotland counts are as at 9am on the day of publication; Wales counts are as at 7am on the day of publication; Northern Ireland counts are from different times on the morning of publication.

The headline UK case count is published by DHSC each day via Twitter and on the DHSC website.

The UK total is not the sum of the 4 National totals as the pillar 2 cases cannot currently be included in the National totals. All other data on this website are based only on cases detected through pillar 1. Information about the different pillars is available on GOV.UK.

[xsnaggle]

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What? You are blaming the Guardian for reprinting the UK government's official statistics from Public Health Englands dashboard. The About Data part of the GOV.UK website explains the discrepancy

COVID-19 cases are identified by taking specimens from people and sending these specimens to laboratories around the UK to be tested. If the test is positive, this is a referred to as a lab-confirmed case.

There are separate reporting processes for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Each Nation provides data based on tests carried out in NHS (and PHE) laboratories. These represent 'pillar 1' of the Government's mass testing programme. The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) combines the counts from the 4 Nations, and adds data from tests carried out by commercial partners ('pillar 2' of the mass-testing programme) to give daily and total (cumulative) counts of lab-confirmed cases. These are submitted to Public Health England (PHE) to display on the dashboard. The 4 figures are not all taken from the same cut-off time: England and Scotland counts are as at 9am on the day of publication; Wales counts are as at 7am on the day of publication; Northern Ireland counts are from different times on the morning of publication.

The headline UK case count is published by DHSC each day via Twitter and on the DHSC website.

The UK total is not the sum of the 4 National totals as the pillar 2 cases cannot currently be included in the National totals. All other data on this website are based only on cases detected through pillar 1. Information about the different pillars is available on GOV.UK.

But by printing the clearly ambiguous figures together without any clarification obviously leads one to question their validity.
Your apparent indignation that I should questtion the Government's offical statistics is very amusing given what we read on here every day.

[Heisenberg]

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But by printing the clearly ambiguous figures together without any clarification obviously leads one to question their validity.
Your apparent indignation that I should questtion the Government's offical statistics is very amusing given what we read on here every day.

Is this a wind up?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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But by printing the clearly ambiguous figures together without any clarification obviously leads one to question their validity.
Your apparent indignation that I should questtion the Government's offical statistics is very amusing given what we read on here every day.

Think you are confusing indignation for wry amusement that your aim to undermine the content of an article was justified by rubbishing a set of embedded figures in the article extracted from official sources where they are displayed in a similar manner. Still you nailed it so don't let me stand in the way of your glory!

[xsnaggle]

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Think you are confusing indignation for wry amusement that your aim to undermine the content of an article was justified by rubbishing a set of embedded figures in the article extracted from official sources where they are displayed in a similar manner. Still you nailed it so don't let me stand in the way of your glory!

I'm not try to undermine the article at all. I had previously commented on a previous article in which they also used those stats without the explanation you just offered. It's just shoddy journalism. All I'm saying is that people read the acrticle they do not og on the web and fact check everything in it, they tend to basically accept what is said, but then if they look at the numbers and see the dscrepancy it puts them in mind to question the rest of the article.

And to blythly accept governemnt figures because the are reported in a newspaper when so many on this board would automatically question anything the government says is frankly more than amusing.
It could lead a person to think that the information is good or bad depending on who reports it, God forefend.
That's all, no glory or desire for it.

[the other bob wilson]

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I wonder how many people in Wales have restricted themselves to one outdoors exercise session per day because of the guidelines but will now increase to two? I can’t imagine it’ll be many. I reckon pretty much everyone who has wanted to exercise outside twice a day has already been doing just that.

My "exercise" since about mid March has consisted of me taking the dog for a walk very early in the morning. I've flouted the rules a little when it comes to car travel by going on a small number of journeys which were not what could be called essential, but I've not gone out with the dog more than once a day since the lockdown began - I'll be taking her out in the afternoon as well from Monday.

[xsnaggle]

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My "exercise" since about mid March has consisted of me taking the dog for a walk very early in the morning. I've flouted the rules a little when it comes to car travel by going on a small number of journeys which were not what could be called essential, but I've not gone out with the dog more than once a day since the lockdown began - I'll be taking her out in the afternoon as well from Monday.

But really if you were in your car then you weren't exactly breaking the social conact dictat were you? I think that is why cars on the road have increased, because people see that they can do something without the contact.
and you need to run the car occasionally.
I drove to Roath Park yesterday and fed the birds. It was about a 2 miles trip. Not truly essensial but it was part of my exercise, good for my (and more importantly for me my wife's) mental well being and hopefully good for the birds too. Also saw a few mother gooses with their babies. Beautiful, still tiny and in their undergrowth green camolfage down and the geese are so used to humans they let you get much closer than you would otherwise.