Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

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Ahhhhhh, so it’s not a deliberate act of sabotage by the civil service against Patel, Cummings and the government then.

Glad we’ve got to the bottom of that mystery where they can’t get an app off the ground that’s apparently integral for the nations recovery.

As you say..integral to the nations recovery.....yet each of the four home nations seem to have done their own thing. Almost as if the population of the UK will stay within their own home nations, never to interact or meet? Really stupid

[Baloo]

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Yeh, I’ve just read JBC recommended it and Chief Medical Advisors approved.

Sorry, Joint Bisosecurity Centre.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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The government, civil service or both?

A pretty measured review once you get past the headline of the issues that caused the cancellation of the centralised app this week.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/06/19/1004190/uk-covid-contact-tracing-app-fiasco/

[Jordi Culé]

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As you say..integral to the nations recovery.....yet each of the four home nations seem to have done their own thing. Almost as if the population of the UK will stay within their own home nations, never to interact or meet? Really stupid

It’s either really stupid or someone was lying initially about the importance of the ‘contact, track n trace’ app.

The frightening thing is no one really knows anymore due to the amount of information that’s been twisted to suit political agendas.

As you said though “Incompetence”.

That’s for all the respective governments involved.

[life on mars]

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""Chinese officials have released genome data which, they say, show that a recent outbreak in Beijing was a European strain. But some scientists are cautious over drawing early conclusions about the alleged link

Italian scientists said that sewage water from two cities contained coronavirus traces in December, long before the country's first confirmed cases. ""

Its always someone else's fault ,one should not forget the direct trading links the city of Wuhan and North Italy and then that connection the to rest of Europe

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/04/03/the-wuhan-connection-does-new-evidence-reveal-why-northern-italy-became-the-nations-coronavirus-epicenter/

[jon1959]

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Its the civil service that have to get things like the track and trace done, and since Priti Patel and Dominic Cummings have declared war on them, what with Mark Sedwell resigning and Phillip Rutham sacked, I wonder if there is some sabotage going on?

Philip Rutman wasn't sacked - he resigned.

Mark Sedwill resigning? Where is that from?

[the other bob wilson]

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It just makes me think the reason for lowering the alert level yesterday was probably to try to deflect attention away. I just don’t give them benefit of the doubt for anything anymore.

I'm sure others will disagree, but I'd say you speak for many, perhaps a majority, in the country there - they lost the right to the benefit of the doubt with the handling of the Dominic Cummings saga in my view.

[lisvaneblue]

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Philip Rutman wasn't sacked - he resigned.

Mark Sedwill resigning? Where is that from?

My mistake... I thought Rutman was sacked, but I believe he is having a go at the government because he says he was forced to resign.

Sedwill it seems has lost the support of the civil service after going native.

The message I was trying to get across was that there is not a lot of love lost between the civil service and the current Westminster government

[xsnaggle]

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Meanwhile nearer to home Cardiff Council are displaying their lack of competence and lack of care again.
When they closed the Market in town the stall holders complained, pointing out it is basically a food market and exempt from closure but the council closed it anyway. But they promised the stall holders that while it was shut down they would be exempt their rental for the stalls and business rates.
The Market traders asked them to deep clean the place and make sure it as clear of any contamination during the lock down period but they said the couldn't put cleaners in there because it is an enclosed space.
The market traders want to open on Monday but the Council say the market cannot open for at least a week. Apparently the council has retained a firm of architects to survey the floor area and mark out where the 2 metre distancing marks must go and the procedure will take at least a week. Of course the place still has to be cleaned yet too.
And now they have issued letters to the traders saying that the council has changed it's mind and now the rents and business rates not paid will be added on to the traders accounts as arrears when the market opens as they have withdrawn their pledge to waive these charges.
The words piss-up and brewery spring to mind.

[the other bob wilson]

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A big rise in the R rate in Germany in the last few days - as reported in the Guardian's rolling coverage today;-

"In Germany, “R”, the reproduction number, rose to 2.88 on Sunday, according to the daily estimate published by the country’s public health agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). Its Sunday daily bulletin (English language version) is here (pdf).

On Saturday, the RKI had R at 1.79, and on Friday it was at 1.06.

According to Bloomberg, the increase has been driven by local outbreaks “including in the region of North Rhine-Westphalia, where more than 1,300 people working at a slaughterhouse”.

R is one measure of of the rate at which coronavirus is spreading. Any number above 1 means that every one person infected will pass it on to more than one other person. An R number of 2.88 implies each German case is producing another 2.88 others.

Ministers say it is essential to keep R below 1.

However, R is not the only way of measuring the seriousness of an epidemic and, if the overall incidence of infection is low, an R number above 1 is much less worrying than if the disease is much more widespread. At the end of last week, the UK government started publishing growth rate estimates for coronavirus, nationally and by region, as well as R numbers. Unlike R, the growth rate figure indicates the speed at which a virus is spreading or diminishing, not just the overall direction."

[the other bob wilson]

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It's the weekend and all that, but only fifteen deaths in the U.K. on Sunday with none in Scotland and one in Wales.

Less good is the news that over a thousand patients in Wales were moved from hospital into care homes without being tested - more than 600 care home residents (28 % of Welsh deaths have occured in care homes).

[trampie09]

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What's your verdict TOBW is it coming back ?, never gone away ?, second wave ?, what do you think is happening out there ?, I only ask because you put out some interesting facts and I would be interested in your opinion as I'm very much a bottom line type of guy.

[the other bob wilson]

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What's your verdict TOBW is it coming back ?, never gone away ?, second wave ?, what do you think is happening out there ?, I only ask because you put out some interesting facts and I would be interested in your opinion as I'm very much a bottom line type of guy.

I think there are a few on here who are better equipped to answer your questions. For what it's worth, I'm quite optimistic now as far as the Uk goes because the slow decline in new cases and deaths is continuing despite more testing and the easing of the lockdown. However, the situation requires a fine balancing act because all of the signs are that countries like the USA and Brazil are suffering because they have, more or less, been trying to act as if things are getting better when they clearly aren't.

South Korea, who have been held up as a shining example of how to deal with the virus are now admitting they are in a second wave, but are hoping they can limit it to localised outbreaks and I think that is the best we can hope for, but we have to learn quickly from what we've got wrong up to now and hope that we have got the required infrastructure in place in the autumn.

[trampie09]

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I think there are a few on here who are better equipped to answer your questions. For what it's worth, I'm quite optimistic now as far as the Uk goes because the slow decline in new cases and deaths is continuing despite more testing and the easing of the lockdown. However, the situation requires a fine balancing act because all of the signs are that countries like the USA and Brazil are suffering because they have, more or less, been trying to act as if things are getting better when they clearly aren't.

South Korea, who have been held up as a shining example of how to deal with the virus are now admitting they are in a second wave, but are hoping they can limit it to localised outbreaks and I think that is the best we can hope for, but we have to learn quickly from what we've got wrong up to now and hope that we have got the required infrastructure in place in the autumn.

Fine answer TOBW, thanks.

[goats]

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A big rise in the R rate in Germany in the last few days - as reported in the Guardian's rolling coverage today;-

"In Germany, “R”, the reproduction number, rose to 2.88 on Sunday, according to the daily estimate published by the country’s public health agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). Its Sunday daily bulletin (English language version) is here (pdf).

On Saturday, the RKI had R at 1.79, and on Friday it was at 1.06.

According to Bloomberg, the increase has been driven by local outbreaks “including in the region of North Rhine-Westphalia, where more than 1,300 people working at a slaughterhouse”.

R is one measure of of the rate at which coronavirus is spreading. Any number above 1 means that every one person infected will pass it on to more than one other person. An R number of 2.88 implies each German case is producing another 2.88 others.

Ministers say it is essential to keep R below 1.

However, R is not the only way of measuring the seriousness of an epidemic and, if the overall incidence of infection is low, an R number above 1 is much less worrying than if the disease is much more widespread. At the end of last week, the UK government started publishing growth rate estimates for coronavirus, nationally and by region, as well as R numbers. Unlike R, the growth rate figure indicates the speed at which a virus is spreading or diminishing, not just the overall direction."

Another meat packing place.....