Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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There's some work in The Lancet on the effectiveness of the PB and AZ vaccines against the alpha and delta variants. To cut a long story short, two doses of the AZ vaccine after 14 days is only 60% effective (in the same way as originally reported) against the delta (Indian) variant.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

Everyone still needs to be careful. Fully vaccinated people are getting it and have died.

Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

[az city]

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Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

The Scottish study isn't opinion. I believe the science not vague BS.

Link to evidence?

[surge]

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Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

Are you maybe referring to Pfizer figures seen within this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596 or have I missed another study?

"The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Other data shows it takes longer to reach maximum effectiveness with the AstraZeneca vaccine, PHE said."

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Are you maybe referring to Pfizer figures seen within this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596 or have I missed another study?

"The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Other data shows it takes longer to reach maximum effectiveness with the AstraZeneca vaccine, PHE said."

I think the Astra Zeneca study referenced was that it was 92% preventative of hospitalisation after two doses should someone catch covid rather than it being 92% effective in stopping you catching it in the first place.

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I think the Astra Zeneca study referenced was that it was 92% preventative of hospitalisation after two doses should someone catch covid rather than it being 92% effective in stopping you catching it in the first place.

Probably yes, chance of severe illness, but as the supposed stated aim of all these lockdowns is to protect the NHS, and that isd apparently exactly what it does then that's good enough for me

[goats]

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Probably yes, chance of severe illness, but as the supposed stated aim of all these lockdowns is to protect the NHS, and that isd apparently exactly what it does then that's good enough for me

Protect the nhs….you’ve got to love that line. If only the various shambolic governments over the last 20 years had felt the same.
With waiting lists longer than ever and no doubt many people who missed vital scans walking time bombs without knowing it will be interesting to see the state of the beloved nhs in a year or two.

[Wash DC Blue]

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Surely what is most important Is the vaccines preventing death, serious illness and hospitalization.

If the vaccines lower transmission or even viral load that’s a bonus.

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Surely what is most important Is the vaccines preventing death, serious illness and hospitalization.

If the vaccines lower transmission or even viral load that’s a bonus.

Exactly, but to Az City apparently that's just bullshit.

[az city]

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Exactly, but to Az City apparently that's just bullshit.

Let's me be clear. YOU uttered the vague bullshit though it was somewhat difficult to decipher in the litany of illogicalities, typos and grammatical errors.

[xsnaggle]

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Let's me be clear. YOU uttered the vague bullshit though it was somewhat difficult to decipher in the litany of illogicalities, typos and grammatical errors.

Let me be clear to you, you're a dimwit who has to resort to clutching at the straw of typos etc to recover your self opinionate status. Grow a pair.
What I said and what another poster clarified was quite apparent. You chose to believe the numbers which are depressing and people-lockdown suggestive. In reality the NHS is protected so your numbers are meaningless.
See me next post!!!

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These are intersting stats, for those that like stats, and the summary is thought provoking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/29/mass-testing-gives-skewed-picture-scale-covid-pandemic/

[Des Parrot]

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Now know a person who has Covid despite double vaccine. See Andrew Marr was in the same position.

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Now know a person who has Covid despite double vaccine. See Andrew Marr was in the same position.

Yes, sadly apparently it doesn't work for everybody. But then, most vaccines are not 100%. If we wait for zero everything we will be locked down for ever, which appears to be some peoples preferred option.
But look at the number of people who have sadly died who already had some underlying probably fatal condition already? Covid is now the 31st most fatal illness/disease in Wales. If we take out those with underlying conditions how any would have died?

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These are intersting stats, for those that like stats, and the summary is thought provoking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ovid-pandemic/

"Community prevalence now far lower than when country had similar Covid case numbers in December" by the Telegraph who were (probably) campaigning against lockdown in December.

I don't think it's so much of an imposition to continue with mask wearing indoors, employing good ventilation and looking to avoid crowding of indoor places but recognise that's a personal view. Think signs are looking much more positive now but needlessly reckless to say opening up is irreversible or a specific date is a terminus date which just shows how little some people understand.

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Speaking during an Urgent Question tabled by the SNP in the House of Commons, Liz Saville Roberts said: “Let’s call this out for what it is – a gross misuse of public money.

A High Court judgement revealed that the Minister for the Cabinet Office, Michael Gove MP, instructed officials to commission focus groups on “attitudes to the UK Union”.

He used an emergency contract given to Public First for pandemic research to tackle Covid-19.

The £564,394 public contract using taxpayers cash, included a focus group in Swansea in March 2020 and another in Aberystwyth in May 2020.

Michael Gove declined to appear in the House of Commons to respond to MPs’ questions and instead sent the Parliamentary Secretary for the Cabinet Office, Julia Lopez MP, in his place.

Responding, Lopez said that the government “do not use public money for political campaigning purposes” and refused to comment on whether the Secretary of State for Wales had been involved in the process.

https://nation.cymru/news/plaid-cymr...-on-the-union/

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