Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[blue matt]

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No Covid in SW19. Large crowds on Centre and No.1 courts, barely a mask in sight. Fans in and out of their seats with pints and Pimms.

40K or more at Wembley the other night with the second in line to the throne, his wife and son in attendance also without masks.

I'm all for opening up again and get frustrated with the hypocrisy and scaremongering. Why don't we see daily figures for all deaths, for all infections? Why don't we have a slide that shows the amount of people in Wales with Covid who are in hospital would fit on one of Tony's busses.

No figures revealed from hundreds of test events where it's thought about 28 people from tens of thousands tested positive. Yet Scotland fans blamed for causing two thousand cases because they went to London. That doesn't make sense.

online news feeds say we can go away, we can't go away, we can open up, we can't open up.

It's really affecting the mental health of a lot of people.

Time to get on with things.

I read a thread on here asking for Drakeford to let fans into CCS in Aug, I honestly didnt realise they couldnt, 60 K in Wembley soon

As you say, lets get back to life, the vac is doing its job of keeping people out of hospital

[az city]

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In the USA its a 3 week gap then no later than another 2 weeks

a friend of ours ( in orlando, so it might differ from state to state ) has just had his 2nd, i said it is only a few weeks sine your 1st, which the reply was thats the US guidelines

The recommended gap between mRNA (Pfizer ad Moderna) vaccines is 4 weeks. This is what the CDC has in its directives. This was the regimen used during the vaccine testing phases. It's the same across all states. There may be some variation across states based on the roll outs.

I think the UK change to an 8 week gap for AZ was based on trying to get a first shot out to as many as possible and not based on the clinical trials (which I think was 4 weeks).

[jon1959]

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The recommended gap between mRNA (Pfizer ad Moderna) vaccines is 4 weeks. This is what the CDC has in its directives. This was the regimen used during the vaccine testing phases. It's the same across all states. There may be some variation across states based on the roll outs.

I think the UK change to an 8 week gap for AZ was based on trying to get a first shot out to as many as possible and not based on the clinical trials (which I think was 4 weeks).

It was a 12 week gap and applied to all vaccines - not just AZ. You are right about the reason for the change from the trial gap.

Earlier this year the NHSCovid app was launched for people to book vaccine appointments online - and there was a fixed 12 week gap between the first and second (and it prevented anyone booking just a first jab - to complete the online appointment booking both dates were needed). Appointments arranged via GPs were a bit more flexible. Now it is 'walk in'.

[az city]

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It was a 12 week gap and applied to all vaccines - not just AZ. You are right about the reason for the change from the trial gap.

Earlier this year the NHSCovid app was launched for people to book vaccine appointments online - and there was a fixed 12 week gap between the first and second (and it prevented anyone booking just a first jab - to complete the online appointment booking both dates were needed). Appointments arranged via GPs were a bit more flexible. Now it is 'walk in'.

Thx for the correction. My sister is a nurse in Cardiff and she was mightily pissed off in January when her second Pfizer was cancelled because of the change.

[surge]

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The NHS website still lists the following as symptoms which will allow you to book a PCR test:

- a high temperature
- a new, continuous cough
- a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste

It appears that the Delta Variant has different presenting symptoms though so we could easily be missing lots of cases, but equally it does appear link between virus and death seems to have been broken. Most recognise that it's new territory (the end of bad covid in the UK?) but we should still be concerned about abroad (how many people will suffer abroad where vaccines haven't reached, what happens if new variant resistant to vaccines?), long covid and how much has been put on hold throughout covid restrictions.

Are we still going to wear masks indoors and avoid cramped, enclosed spaces? Is that going to return in the winter to help reduce spread of other viruses?

[xsnaggle]

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The NHS website still lists the following as symptoms which will allow you to book a PCR test:

- a high temperature
- a new, continuous cough
- a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste

It appears that the Delta Variant has different presenting symptoms though so we could easily be missing lots of cases, but equally it does appear link between virus and death seems to have been broken. Most recognise that it's new territory (the end of bad covid in the UK?) but we should still be concerned about abroad (how many people will suffer abroad where vaccines haven't reached, what happens if new variant resistant to vaccines?), long covid and how much has been put on hold throughout covid restrictions.

Are we still going to wear masks indoors and avoid cramped, enclosed spaces? Is that going to return in the winter to help reduce spread of other viruses?

So you think we should be locked down for ever.

[the other bob wilson]

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So you think we should be locked down for ever.

So you think that the current situation whereby we're allowed to go drinking inside pubs (something that was always very important to you based on the number of times you referred to it over the past fifteen months or so), attend sporting events, go to restaurants etc. is the same as a lockdown?

[the other bob wilson]

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It was a 12 week gap and applied to all vaccines - not just AZ. You are right about the reason for the change from the trial gap.

Earlier this year the NHSCovid app was launched for people to book vaccine appointments online - and there was a fixed 12 week gap between the first and second (and it prevented anyone booking just a first jab - to complete the online appointment booking both dates were needed). Appointments arranged via GPs were a bit more flexible. Now it is 'walk in'.

According to one of my dog walking mates yesterday, his two sons had to wait fifteen weeks for their second jabs - presumably, the priority has been to give as many people as possible a first jab?

[Hilts]

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Im quite enjoying table service in pubs.

Hope it stays.

[surge]

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So you think we should be locked down for ever.

Before I answer that can you define what you mean by "locked down" please?

We've seen the positive impact mask wearing in enclosed spaces, good ventilation and good hygiene has had on reducing spread of a virus (anecdotally that would include flu last winter) so if I say those tactics should be kept am I meeting your definition of "lockdown"?

In your view are we saying it's freedom as there was before we knew about covid and anything else is "lockdown"?

Honestly, I re-read my message and wondered if I had said anything different to what MM had posted when he concluded time to get on with things and whether my message was superfluous. I don't think being aware that covid is more than death rates in the UK means you don't ever want to open up.

[surge]

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Robert Jenrick asked by #Marr about whether surge in Covid cases in Scotland could delay restrictions being lifted elsewhere in UK.

"We would like the whole Union to move as one... in England our view is that things are looking positive for June 19."

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...08650997772291

How can we act as one unless we're taking into account Scotland doesn't want to open up until July 19th? Remember, if they say "act as one" ask them what it means in practice if one nation wants to go at a much quicker pace than the other three and where compromise is struck.

[goats]

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So you think we should be locked down for ever.

Crazily enough, there are some people who do in a recent survey…..I guess they are the types who never lived anyway

[xsnaggle]

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Before I answer that can you define what you mean by "locked down" please?
We've seen the positive impact mask wearing in enclosed spaces, good ventilation and good hygiene has had on reducing spread of a virus (anecdotally that would include flu last winter) so if I say those tactics should be kept am I meeting your definition of "lockdown"?

In your view are we saying it's freedom as there was before we knew about covid and anything else is "lockdown"?

Honestly, I re-read my message and wondered if I had said anything different to what MM had posted when he concluded time to get on with things and whether my message was superfluous. I don't think being aware that covid is more than death rates in the UK means you don't ever want to open up.

'Lockdown' whether full or partial is anything which, by law dictat or government order prevent an individual from doing the things that before Covid he could do without question.
So asking people to be sensible, wear masks in crowded places wash hands, don't cough on others, is not lockdown it is people using common sense. Telling us we will not get served if we are not wearing a mask is lockdown. The difference is being made or ordered, and doing it on good advice for the protection of your family and others
Positive impact. No we have not. It is like a construction site having security, nothing happens so the accountants say the cost of security was wasted. It's a flawed argument. We have worn masks ventilated etc, but we had no place where not wearing them led to a different outcome so we don't actually know if they had an effect or if the same thing would have happened anyway.

you talk of maybe in the future a variant may resist the vaccines. Once a vaccine is in place it is a fairly simple procedure to 'tweak' it to cover such events. (The people who make them say this), so should we live in constant fear of the may (only might mind you) one day perhaps next week or in 2052 be a variant that is vaccine resistant. Imagine if they had done the same thing with smallpox, flu Polio and all the other things that have threatened normal life in the past, when they had far less knowledge of prevention than we do now?

The stated purpose of everything that has been done and ordered was always to save lives and protect the NHS. Both those things have been achieved and those getting sick now either have mild attacks or if they go into hospital on average spend less time there recover fasted do not need ventilating and do not need intensive care.
so the reasons for lockdown of any kind are gone. As I said I see nothing wrong in doing things because they makes sense but having laws in place, and Wales made everything laws, which prohibit normal life and restrict freedoms is not a situation that can stand indefrinitely.

[xsnaggle]

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So you think that the current situation whereby we're allowed to go drinking inside pubs (something that was always very important to you based on the number of times you referred to it over the past fifteen months or so), attend sporting events, go to restaurants etc. is the same as a lockdown?

Who are you to tell me what I think? Read my reply to surge. Anything you are forced to do or not do by law connected to covid is lockdown or partial lockdown. you can dress it up any way you like but it doesn't change the fact that the population is being controlled and subdued. It cannot sustain. I actually don't mind waiter service in pubs, and my boy is making a fortune in extra hours, but if I want to stand at the bat then I should be able to do so. The stupidity of the whole thing is no better illustrated by the assumption that you cannot catch covid sitting down. In a pub as soon as you stand up you have to put a mask on, this to prevent you passing the virus to others, but if someone wearing a mask comes to your table you can talk to them and breath on them and you won't pass the virus to them. Oh really? It is nonsense. Restaurants and pubs are better regulated establishments than Tesco or Primark or Wembley ever will be.

[lardy]

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you talk of maybe in the future a variant may resist the vaccines. Once a vaccine is in place it is a fairly simple procedure to 'tweak' it to cover such events. (The people who make them say this),.

Are you sure they've said that? The vaccines just need a simple tweak for all future variants and mutations?

It doesn't seem like the kind of thing a scientist would say.