Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lardy]

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We're living in an era of media saturation which can dictate how we perceive the event at the expense of objective analysis. If the BBC had announced one day in 2018 that "1500" people had died today from flu-related causes", and followed up with reports of over-run hospitals etc., I'm sure we would have been horrified. I reckon the audience for the TV News from 6pm onwards is massive and like myself most are almost in a panic by the end of the reports. Then you look at the numbers and the deaths - albeit to date - are equivalent to 9 for a city the size of Birmingham. In 2020 in the Western World we aren't as close to death as those African Countries where make shift hospitals are full of malnourished babies dying in their mothers' arms - we live in a cosy, well-managed world without the hardships other poorer people experience every day. I think it's like FDR said about 'nothing to fear but fear itself".

It's becoming fun now. For how long will monkfish refuse to accept that it is a real problem? I would have been sure the tail end of march, but apparently not!

[delmbox]

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Oh good, the lunatics have set up camp in this thread

[BlueArmy 86]

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The month everything changed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-52066956

[rudy gestede]

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I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.

**** me how can you have paid attention to how this has unfolded and still think this?

[rudy gestede]

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Dr Anthony Fauci has just come out and said the fatality rate of the Corona virus could be 0.1%, which is the same as pandemic flu. Would that be cause to shut down the entire global economic system? Furthermore, this research is ongoing, so it's not going to be a random decision that will get everybody back to work. The alternative option of doing nothing is fraught with danger, unless you are ok with the idea of the world descending into a Mad Max scenario.

Why are people still talking about the death rate (one calculated 3 months ago too) when that isn’t the issue.

It is ridiculously contagious and a lot of people who get it require hospitalisation, if this happens the health service gets overwhelmed and indirect deaths and direct deaths go up. How hard is this to understand?

[lardy]

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**** me how can you have paid attention to how this has unfolded and still think this?

Absolute insistence on being an 'independent thinker' at all costs and have a contrary view.

[rudy gestede]

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Absolute insistence on being an 'independent thinker' at all costs and have a contrary view.

It seems like something a teenager would do to make themselves look “different” for the sake of it.

It must be exhausting, especially when something like this is going on and being so well documented.

[Organ Morgan.]

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It seems like something a teenager would do to make themselves look “different” for the sake of it.

It must be exhausting, especially when something like this is going on and being so well documented.

Oh, what crap.

I'm hardly alone, am I? I have the company of the President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief, leader of the free world (blah and more blah) articulating the same, which is the consequences of an economic and financial meltdown could prove to be more devastating than what Covid-19 might do.

He has scores of millions of heavily armed citizens to concern himself with and the prospect of a 30% unemployment rate in the months ahead.

Here in 2011 we saw how many predators are out there ready to loot even in the good ol' days.

[rudy gestede]

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it’s not worth the effort

[lardy]

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Oh, what crap.

I'm hardly alone, am I? I have the company of the President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief, leader of the free world (blah and more blah) articulating the same, which is the consequences of an economic and financial meltdown could prove to be more devastating than what Covid-19 might do.

He has scores of millions of heavily armed citizens to concern himself with and the prospect of a 30% unemployment rate in the months ahead.

Here in 2011 we saw how many predators are out there ready to loot even in the good ol' days.

You've gone Full Trump. Never go Full Trump.

[rudy gestede]

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It’s like he thinks no one else thinks there won’t be a severe effect on the economy because of this. Everyone knows there will be but Italy are having a thousand deaths a day now, New York has already had more people die of Covid than they had homicides last year, the U.K. already has started having 100 deaths a day. You can’t just carry on as normal. And these are just the “direct” deaths, not counting for when the doctors have to chose who dies due to there not being enough bed/staff/equipment.

Wuhan did a total lockdown after the first 30 deaths, I don’t believe China’s exact figures but the early lock down definitely did some good.

I remember at the time thinking it was weird and archaic but there really is no other way to stop this becoming a huge issue.

[rudy gestede]

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I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.

I just want to post this again to say how mental it is anyone is still thinking this would work.

[Organ Morgan.]

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I just want to post this again to say how mental it is anyone is still thinking this would work.

Fine, you have a different point of view. I can accept that. You're fond of accusing others of intransigence while you keep insisting you're correct. It's both amusing and annoying because you're unwilling to contemplate you might be wrong.

[rudy gestede]

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It isn’t a different point of view though. It’s the truth.

If you only isolate people with symptoms you’ve got a load of symptomless carriers out there spreading it. The symptoms take 2 weeks to show, some people only show mild symptoms. This will cause exponential growth of the disease. That’s a fact, it’s literally already happened.

Do you disagree with that?

[Eric Cartman]

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Fine, you have a different point of view. I can accept that. You're fond of accusing others of intransigence while you keep insisting you're correct. It's both amusing and annoying because you're unwilling to contemplate you might be wrong.

It doesn't sound like you think he is wrong though. It sounds like you think the health of the economy is more important than X number of people's lives (which has no doubt played a part in our slow reaction in the UK). The problem with your way of thinking is that everybody who supports it appears to be calculating X by sticking their fingers in their ears and looking at the overall death rate without factoring in the massive impact that an overwhelmed health service adds.

What is your tipping point? If we knew exactly how many lives we would save by locking down when would you decide that was worth it? 1 million? 10 million?