Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[jeepster]

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I'm not sarcy, I've read this entire thread, and it's full of people who have real fears and are genuinely worried about the future. But now we discover that with the aid of some mental gymnastics, it is now possible for a specific subset of the general population to absolve themselves of all responsibility and duty of care to others. Not only is this dangerous, it also sets a very bad precident regarding the rule of law.

Oh now that you put it that way i now understand,thanx for the heads up

[Wales-Bales]

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I’m exercising my right of free speech with a hint of interpreting what is put before me, as you’re a fan of Trump I thought you’d appreciate this more than anyone.

Not really a fan of Trump per se, but I did find the internatinal plot to overthrow him quite interesting. However, I draw the line at chucking bricks at horses, as that is going outside the rules of engagement. That poor police woman could have easily been killed due to the stupidity of some idiots.

[Jordi Culé]

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Not really a fan of Trump per se, but I did find the internatinal plot to overthrow him quite interesting. However, I draw the line at chucking bricks at horses, as that is going outside the rules of engagement. That poor police woman could have easily been killed due to the stupidity of some idiots.

“International plot to overthrow him...” I missed that coup supported by Merkel and Trudeau to oust him, I thought it was a Putin plot that put him in?

I agree throwing bricks at police horse is ***** trick. These antifa should be having a square go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SHuGha_bTo

[life on mars]

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“International plot to overthrow him...” I missed that coup supported by Merkel and Trudeau to oust him, I thought it was a Putin plot that put him in?

I agree throwing bricks at police horse is ***** trick. These antifa should be having a square go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SHuGha_bTo

Interesting clip I think we sadly support and a sport that has demonstrated acts of racism , hate , bigotry, greed, homophobia and misogynistic behaviours.

[Jordi Culé]

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Interesting clip I think we sadly support and a sport that has demonstrated acts of racism , hate , bigotry, greed, homophobia and misogynistic behaviours.

Of course we do and in the main all those issues have been tolerated.

Let’s get the thread back on it’s subject

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/06/prime-minister-told-to-dump-rhetoric-and-plan-for-new-covid-wave

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I see there's a study today saying that seventy per cent of those testing positive (not sure if it's for England only or the UK) report no symptoms. This must mean that the percentage of the population who have had the virus has to be higher than the figure of seven per cent I hear a lot of surely?

This is a really informative website from the University of Cambridge study. It is only for England but the summaries are really informative and the stats and graphs likewise. Things like the estimate that 16% of 5-14 year olds in England have been infected but just 0.001% of those infected (IFR) have died compared with only 3% of over 75 year old being infected but of those 23% have died. Nothing new in terms of what we have been told around the disproportionate impact on the young and old but stark when you see the supporting statistics.

Similarly there are some informative graphs tracking the R rate particularly around key points of changes in Government Policy in England. The massive falls in R just after the lockdown and the increases as policies were softened on May 12th with attendant increased likelihood that R is above 1 by English Region as we move towards the 1 June additional softening where there is no data yet.

https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/

[Heisenberg]

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Oh now that you put it that way i now understand,thanx for the heads up

Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.

The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"

[goats]

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This is a really informative website from the University of Cambridge study. It is only for England but the summaries are really informative and the stats and graphs likewise. Things like the estimate that 16% of 5-14 year olds in England have been infected but just 0.001% of those infected (IFR) have died compared with only 3% of over 75 year old being infected but of those 23% have died. Nothing new in terms of what we have been told around the disproportionate impact on the young and old but stark when you see the supporting statistics.

Similarly there are some informative graphs tracking the R rate particularly around key points of changes in Government Policy in England. The massive falls in R just after the lockdown and the increases as policies were softened on May 12th with attendant increased likelihood that R is above 1 by English Region as we move towards the 1 June additional softening where there is no data yet.

https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/

Things looking good in Germany and Italy now as things have opened, as did schools in France a month ago....

[CCFCC3PO]

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Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.

The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"

We are all, maybe, guilty of that to some extent.

Whilst recognising that it is right that people should be allowed to demonstrate for the Black Lives Matter movement, it would be hypocritical to say that people shouldn't be allowed to demonstrate for getting a haircut.

But, that is ignoring the context. No-one will die from long hair, black people have been dying for hundreds of years simply for being black.

I support the cause, but perhaps not the protests. What I am saying is flawed (slippery slope fallacy) but in the case of a spike in new cases it will be all too easy for Governments around the world to point a finger of blame at the protests.

My Social Media pages have been flooded with photos of looters (always black) and words like "Look at their pain and grief for George Floyd". Simple Google images put these images from anywhere between 2010 and 2019. It's very easy to turn lies into fact with simple memes, I just hope that the cause isn't relegated to a debate about social irresponsibility from people protesting - with the movement being blamed for spikes in new cases (in a backdrop where countries are easing lockdowns)

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Things looking good in Germany and Italy now as things have opened, as did schools in France a month ago....

Not sure what point you are making. Are you saying that the R rate and number of daily infections in Germany and Italy was the same as ours when they took comparable measures to ease the lockdown therefore we have strong evidence from elsewhere that we will see similar results?

[the other bob wilson]

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Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.

The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"

He said I was "silly" for calling him a hypocrite yesterday - this is exactly the sort of thing I had in my mind when I said it. This time last year, he and others who are always banging on about global, neoliberal conspiracies were lauding those who they saw as freedom fighters taking part in the yellow vest protests, now, because it suits his trumps (pun intended) everything else obsession, he comes at things from a completely different direction - this is not me comparing the merits or otherwise of the different protests, it's me just pointing out Gluey's clear hypocrisy.

[CCFCC3PO]

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Not sure what point you are making. Are you saying that the R rate and number of daily infections in Germany and Italy was the same as ours when they took comparable measures to ease the lockdown therefore we have strong evidence from elsewhere that we will see similar results?

If he is saying that, then he is wrong. The R rate in Germany was at 0.65 when the lockdown was announced.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-07/german-new-coronavirus-infections-increase-the-most-in-six-days

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2720245/?utm_source=embed&utm_campaign=visualisation/2720245

[cyril evans awaydays]

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He said I was "silly" for calling him a hypocrite yesterday - this is exactly the sort of thing I had in my mind when I said it. This time last year, he and others who are always banging on about global, neoliberal conspiracies were lauding those who they saw as freedom fighters taking part in the yellow vest protests, now, because it suits his trumps (pun intended) everything else obsession, he comes at things from a completely different direction - this is not me comparing the merits or otherwise of the different protests, it's me just pointing out Gluey's clear hypocrisy.

There's always a quote!

The dude was a bad geezer and they took him out because he was planning more bad stuff. Why are you even trying to make a case for him and Iran? They beat the shit out of any protesters over there and lock them up. Free the Iranians!

[jeepster]

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Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.

The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"

I was trying to be scarcastic to him

[the other bob wilson]

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I watched the interview referred to in this piece earlier and it was good to hear someone speaking in honest, clear, easily understandable, terms on subjects the public want to be told about - I learned a hundred times more from him than I do when having to listen to the vague platitudes trotted out at Government briefings;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/uk-failure-to-lock-down-earlier-cost-many-uk-lives-top-scientist-says