Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Thanks for the confirmation that you are making baseless accusations.

A lying twat with an anti-media agenda who has been making baseless accusations against me for some time. Accusations based on me barely attending games, when I told him why, he continued to make baseless accusations. What a first class thicko, and 8th class troll.

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Gotcha. The way you wrote it made it look like you were talking about the witness. My bad

I'm still unsure as to why you think the media twisted the Cummings story though - whether the "retired teacher" broke the rules or not is irrelevant. His version of events that he told The Sun/The Guardian turned out to be 100% true - as Cummings admitted.

The only... I repeat only thing that was inaccurate in all of the reporting was the 'second trip' that Cummings supposedly made and it was never printed as fact.

The Mail are now spinning it as though it's all lies and the "retired teacher" cannot be a good witness because of irrelevant facts, which you seem to be projecting too - but that would mean that you're taken in by their spin of it, which you say you're sceptical of. I'm getting dizzy now.

I don't think they did, but the second story was spun as the guy admits it was a lie and you expect professional journalists to spot that, if it suited them, ahe Tit about the police speaking to Cummins' family was spun, the reality being that they went there when called by Mr cummins senior to discuss security, nothing to do with Cummins and his trip. Things like that just taint the truth that they are built on.
But when the shit storm started before I had only read one article and people started to attack me referring to a completely different article. But its over and I have no wish to reignite that.
And it happens I don't like him anyway, there are some people you can take an instant dislike to just looking at them, and for me he is one of those.
You would expect the Mail to spin that but it just re-enforces my point about that fact you cannot trust anything today to be the straight truth, it is all spun to suit one agenda or the other.

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I don't think they did, but the second story was spun as the guy admits it was a lie and you expect professional journalists to spot that, if it suited them, ahe Tit about the police speaking to Cummins' family was spun, the reality being that they went there when called by Mr cummins senior to discuss security, nothing to do with Cummins and his trip. Things like that just taint the truth that they are built on.
But when the shit storm started before I had only read one article and people started to attack me referring to a completely different article. But its over and I have no wish to reignite that.
And it happens I don't like him anyway, there are some people you can take an instant dislike to just looking at them, and for me he is one of those.
You would expect the Mail to spin that but it just re-enforces my point about that fact you cannot trust anything today to be the straight truth, it is all spun to suit one agenda or the other.

I feel like you keep glossing over the point I'm making - why do you keep saying that the Cummings story was "spun"?

Out of everything that was reported there was one inaccuracy - and that appears to be because the so-called witness went to some effort with his lie.

That's not spinning the story - that's printing exactly what happened and being given dodgy information by someone.

Where do you think the "spin" is in this story from the left-wing media?

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"ahe Tit about the police speaking to Cummins' family was spun"

Sorry, I didn't address this bit - that wasn't spun either. The Durham police force changed their story after No. 10 denied that the family were spoken to.

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I feel like you keep glossing over the point I'm making - why do you keep saying that the Cummings story was "spun"?

Out of everything that was reported there was one inaccuracy - and that appears to be because the so-called witness went to some effort with his lie.

That's not spinning the story - that's printing exactly what happened and being given dodgy information by someone.

Where do you think the "spin" is in this story from the left-wing media?

You misunderstand me, I don't think what he did was spun at all, but other things they then connected to it like the police visit and the second "Sighting" were both inaccurate and one should expect journalists to check the veracity of what they print. What the police actually did should at least have been fairly easy to verify if they had bothered. Or don't you agree? "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

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You misunderstand me, I don't think what he did was spun at all, but other things they then connected to it like the police visit and the second "Sighting" were both inaccurate and one should expect journalists to check the veracity of what they print. What the police actually did should at least have been fairly easy to verify if they had bothered. Or don't you agree? "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

the person who made up seeing Cummings in co Durham was not the person who originally reported it, just someone who jumped on the bandwagon for a laugh. the original report was valid and has since been confirmed by Cummings himself.
the mail article made it seem as though the person who has admitted making up seeing Cummings was the original person who made the claim but that isn't true.

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the person who made up seeing Cummings in co Durham was not the person who originally reported it, just someone who jumped on the bandwagon for a laugh. the original report was valid and has since been confirmed by Cummings himself.
the mail article made it seem as though the person who has admitted making up seeing Cummings was the original person who made the claim but that isn't true.

I never said that. I said the person who reported the first sighting was correct. He is the man who drove to Ascot to collect his daughter from a house when she was isolating and take her to another house where he and his family were isolating.
The man who reported the second sighting, Mr Matthews was lying. If you have read an article in the daily mail that says different I'd like to see it.

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I never said that. I said the person who reported the first sighting was correct. He is the man who drove to Ascot to collect his daughter from a house when she was isolating and take her to another house where he and his family were isolating.
The man who reported the second sighting, Mr Matthews was lying. If you have read an article in the daily mail that says different I'd like to see it.

Where did you read it?

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Where did you read it?

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You misunderstand me, I don't think what he did was spun at all, but other things they then connected to it like the police visit and the second "Sighting" were both inaccurate and one should expect journalists to check the veracity of what they print. What the police actually did should at least have been fairly easy to verify if they had bothered. Or don't you agree? "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

What police visit? I don't remember that part of the story, sorry. I only remember the police saying that they spoke to the family about self-isolating - number 10 said they didn't speak to the family - then the police said that they spoke to his dad about security matters. If I'm wrong, then I'll accpet that - but I'm having problems finding the reporting of a police visit.

But if I'm not wrong, then we're having this debate just because someone lied in one part of this story and the media printed it - because he made it look like it was accurate.

The papers couldn't verify the Barnard Castle visit btw - yet they printed what the witness had told them and after Number 10 vehemently denied it - Cummings came out and admitted it.

I don't see where the "spin" is in this story at all, sorry. All of the spin has been after the news broke and certain agendas have been trying to poke holes wherever they can so that they can say "if that bit wasn't true - none of it was".

Just my opinion.

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I never said that. I said the person who reported the first sighting was correct. He is the man who drove to Ascot to collect his daughter from a house when she was isolating and take her to another house where he and his family were isolating.
The man who reported the second sighting, Mr Matthews was lying. If you have read an article in the daily mail that says different I'd like to see it.

no the first person that reported the second sighting wasn't the same person that later admitted he made it up. the person who made it up was the second person to report the second sighting!

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Where did you read it?

for "In the newspapers that I don't read (real or online)"
Supply answer for anything else.

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no the first person that reported the second sighting wasn't the same person that later admitted he made it up. the person who made it up was the second person to report the second sighting!

Not sure what the point of all this is. Cummings has admitted that he was in Durham and in Barnard's Castle. The second sighting being a lie does not negate the antics of Cummings and his 30 mile eyesight test.

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What police visit? I don't remember that part of the story, sorry. I only remember the police saying that they spoke to the family about self-isolating - number 10 said they didn't speak to the family - then the police said that they spoke to his dad about security matters. If I'm wrong, then I'll accpet that - but I'm having problems finding the reporting of a police visit.

But if I'm not wrong, then we're having this debate just because someone lied in one part of this story and the media printed it - because he made it look like it was accurate.

The papers couldn't verify the Barnard Castle visit btw - yet they printed what the witness had told them and after Number 10 vehemently denied it - Cummings came out and admitted it.

I don't see where the "spin" is in this story at all, sorry. All of the spin has been after the news broke and certain agendas have been trying to poke holes wherever they can so that they can say "if that bit wasn't true - none of it was".

Just my opinion.

The police said they attended the property, the media added the reason. The Durham police have now stated that they did not visit as a result of a complaint about Cummins' presence, and they did not speak to him and his wife. The actually visited the property at Mr Cummins senior's request to discuss security of the property. It had nothing to do with Cummins or anything connected to lock-down . Another point that bothers me about this is that the Durham Police could have corrected the suggestions regarding the visit immediately but that chose not to. I wonder who made that call?
Yes the Barnard castle visit was correct, the alleged second sighting was the lie. It seems to me that the media don't check too hard when what they hear suits their argument and do if it doesn't. It should have been easily proven that Cummins was in fact in London on the day of the alleged second visit.
Every time the do this kind of thing they just make me doubt the honestly of anything in the media.

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Not sure what the point of all this is. Cummings has admitted that he was in Durham and in Barnard's Castle. The second sighting being a lie does not negate the antics of Cummings and his 30 mile eyesight test.

exactly, he admitted it himself.

in any case the second sighting was not a lie, just someone who jumped onto the bandwagon of the second sighting was making it up.

what is being attempted here is to muddy the waters and exhaust people's capacity for critical reasoning. and it seems like it is working.