Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Should people categorised by what religion they say they believe in or by their adherence to its diktats? Discuss.

Good question. Many people claim a faith but do not adhere to ALL its requirements. It doesn't make them any less faithful in their own way. It is often down to they way their parents practiced their faith coupled to where they live, as in the people around them and how they practice their faith. I don't think you can pigeon hole people and that is the point I was trying to make.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Good question. Many people claim a faith but do not adhere to ALL its requirements. It doesn't make them any less faithful in their own way. It is often down to they way their parents practiced their faith coupled to where they live, as in the people around them and how they practice their faith. I don't think you can pigeon hole people and that is the point I was trying to make.

Believers not being 'any less faithful in their own way' is an interesting concept.
Are Christians who murder and steal, both deeds deemed as being contrary to their religion, any less faithful Christians they if they interpret their religion 'in their own way'?
Just a thought.

[Dorcus]

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I get what you're saying but I'd query some of your comments. It may be true to a degree in this country but by no means everywhere. Perhaps you just haven't been to the right places to see. I know where you can see Muslim girls walking around in min skirts and stilettos, going to the beach and the pool and wearing bikinis, and their boyfriends/husbands with them. You can see Muslims enjoying a quiet drink, beer wine, it doesn't make them any less muslim. You can see people of colour on the beach too if you are looking in the right place. I know a girl who was always proud of the difference in her skin colour when she took her wrist watch off after she'd been to the beach.
I'm not trying to agree or disagree I just questioned the generalisation, that's all!

Ok you make a fair point and there's a lot of truth in what you say. However, I'm sure we both agree that criticizing specific groups by religion or ethnicity is completely wrong. The fact is there have been transgressors of all hue and creeds during this emergency and there have been people who have stuck to the rules from all creeds and hues. It's the major reason I believe government should be in control of proceedings because you cannot expect all people to do the right thing all the time if left to their own devices.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I heard somewhere the Gov wants to ramp test up to 500,000 a day.
Even at that level it will take over 4 months to test everyone just once, and then they'll have to start all over again unless a vaccine is found. And that makes no allowance for people who need to be tested twice in short order for some reason. It's impractical.
Better to target the tests and try to isolate outbreaks.

The Govt. [the scientists] are placing their whole strategy on the test and trace policy. You get an un-recognised call/voice message. You are told that maybe you were in close proximity to 'X' ten days ago. You now have to self-isolated for 14 days. You shouldn't go shopping, but order online or get someone to leave it on your doorstep. You tell your work you have to stay away for 2 weeks so don't get paid. Some bosses may want to pay you but you can't offer them any proof that you are telling the truth. So do you answer the phone ? Though some may say to the contrary I doubt 1 in 10 will. Who's going to lose possibly £750 - £1000 ?

[xsnaggle]

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Ok you make a fair point and there's a lot of truth in what you say. However, I'm sure we both agree that criticizing specific groups by religion or ethnicity is completely wrong. The fact is there have been transgressors of all hue and creeds during this emergency and there have been people who have stuck to the rules from all creeds and hues. It's the major reason I believe government should be in control of proceedings because you cannot expect all people to do the right thing all the time if left to their own devices.

[xsnaggle]

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The Govt. [the scientists] are placing their whole strategy on the test and trace policy. You get an un-recognised call/voice message. You are told that maybe you were in close proximity to 'X' ten days ago. You now have to self-isolated for 14 days. You shouldn't go shopping, but order online or get someone to leave it on your doorstep. You tell your work you have to stay away for 2 weeks so don't get paid. Some bosses may want to pay you but you can't offer them any proof that you are telling the truth. So do you answer the phone ? Though some may say to the contrary I doubt 1 in 10 will. Who's going to lose possibly £750 - £1000 ?

I agree entirely. And so instead of complaining that the test and trace app/strategy isn't working perhaps people should complain more that without adequate financial support you can have the most efficient app in the world and it still won't work if people don't answer the phone or don't comply.

[Hilts]

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The Govt. [the scientists] are placing their whole strategy on the test and trace policy. You get an un-recognised call/voice message. You are told that maybe you were in close proximity to 'X' ten days ago. You now have to self-isolated for 14 days. You shouldn't go shopping, but order online or get someone to leave it on your doorstep. You tell your work you have to stay away for 2 weeks so don't get paid. Some bosses may want to pay you but you can't offer them any proof that you are telling the truth. So do you answer the phone ? Though some may say to the contrary I doubt 1 in 10 will. Who's going to lose possibly £750 - £1000 ?

Its just a complete shambles.

In the years to come I wonder what the leading scientists advising the govt will come out regarding the handling of this.

[Hilts]

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I agree entirely. And so instead of complaining that the test and trace app/strategy isn't working perhaps people should complain more that without adequate financial support you can have the most efficient app in the world and it still won't work if people don't answer the phone or don't comply.

But the bufoon says trust the British people.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Its just a complete shambles.

In the years to come I wonder what the leading scientists advising the govt will come out regarding the handling of this.

Scientists will always be able to wriggle out of it - they can pass the buck to the politicians, the politicians can't pass the buck back, though. Having said that, they're the ones running the Country, implementing policy, making the ultimate decisions, so the buck stops with them..

[delmbox]

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Scientists will always be able to wriggle out of it - they can pass the buck to the politicians, the politicians can't pass the buck back, though. Having said that, they're the ones running the Country, implementing policy, making the ultimate decisions, so the buck stops with them..

I've never seen anybody better at wriggling out of stuff than this Tory government, we'll probably end up with a load of grey areas and investigations that take ages and don't go anywhere

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But the bufoon says trust the British people.

I think you have to trust people to do theses things, you cannot 'make' people do it and if you try to force people to do things they will either rebel against it (which in this case would be even worse) or you end up with a totalitarian state they tells its citizens what they can and cannot do. Much as some might prefer that the vast majority of Brits won't. Witness the outcry when the idea of carrying ID Cards was muted.

[xsnaggle]

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If any restaurant could sell you food to eat there I wonder how much business the places on the app would be getting. I'd warrant they are only selling so much because a person's choices are limited.
But if it helps their business good luck to them.

[CCFCC3PO]

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I think you have to trust people to do theses things, you cannot 'make' people do it and if you try to force people to do things they will either rebel against it (which in this case would be even worse) or you end up with a totalitarian state they tells its citizens what they can and cannot do. Much as some might prefer that the vast majority of Brits won't. Witness the outcry when the idea of carrying ID Cards was muted.

ID Cards carried a risk of data loss. Keeping 2m apart, wearing masks, avoiding public spaces is merely an inconvenience.

[life on mars]

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New coronavirus infections appear to be increasing only slightly in England and may even be levelling off, the latest data from the Office for National Statistics suggests.

The findings imply that despite*local spikes, England and Wales are managing to keep a lid on the virus at a national scale as other countries in Europe struggle to prevent a second wave.

The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies released an analysis yesterday estimating that the indirect effects of the lockdown and pandemic would be responsible for more than 80,000 deaths, more than those from Covid-19 itself. They said that this number was still far less than the tally if the virus had been left unchecked.

The ONS’s weekly household survey takes samples from 120,000*people in England and Wales to estimate the prevalence of the disease. In the last week of July, 53 people tested positive, equating to an estimated one in 2,200 people in Wales and one in 1,900 in England. Because the numbers of people infected are so low, the estimates come with a high degree of uncertainty and are unable to provide meaningful data on places where there might be localised spikes.

The most likely assessment of the ONS is that there has been a small rise in cases since the beginning of June but that now appears to be flattening out.

[lardy]

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New coronavirus infections appear to be increasing only slightly in England and may even be levelling off, the latest data from the Office for National Statistics suggests.

The findings imply that despite*local spikes, England and Wales are managing to keep a lid on the virus at a national scale as other countries in Europe struggle to prevent a second wave.

The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies released an analysis yesterday estimating that the indirect effects of the lockdown and pandemic would be responsible for more than 80,000 deaths, more than those from Covid-19 itself. They said that this number was still far less than the tally if the virus had been left unchecked.

The ONS’s weekly household survey takes samples from 120,000*people in England and Wales to estimate the prevalence of the disease. In the last week of July, 53 people tested positive, equating to an estimated one in 2,200 people in Wales and one in 1,900 in England. Because the numbers of people infected are so low, the estimates come with a high degree of uncertainty and are unable to provide meaningful data on places where there might be localised spikes.

The most likely assessment of the ONS is that there has been a small rise in cases since the beginning of June but that now appears to be flattening out.

That's very nicely written. You could be a journalist.