Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Coronavirus update

"How No 10's relationship with its scientists broke down"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/scientists-call-to-arms-went-unheeded-how-the-relationship-with-no-10-broke-down

Interesting charts with this article as well which I found reassuring - while Wales' growing number of cases is a cause for concern, the fact that the highest placed Welsh region in the UK cases per 100,000 chart is Cardiff all the way down in fifty second does make you wonder whether the "circuit break" lockdown we're almost certain to get in Wales is needed? My own view is that it is, but I accept that are valid arguments on the other side.

[goats]

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surely they will spread the love around the world

You going in Oct then ? ? ? did you see the flights i messaged you about, i would go in Oct ( as we love the Halloween stuff ) but oldest will be in uni by then

Yeah going about 12 months today. Giving Disney a swerve as seems like you can’t book much anyway, No fast passes, plus they aren’t doing any if the extra stuff anymore. I’ll stick with Universal for now, as all seems the same there. Few weeks at Clearwater after.

[goats]

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surely they will spread the love around the world

You going in Oct then ? ? ? did you see the flights i messaged you about, i would go in Oct ( as we love the Halloween stuff ) but oldest will be in uni by then

Just seen your messages now

[Michael Morris]

Re: Coronavirus update

"How No 10's relationship with its scientists broke down"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/scientists-call-to-arms-went-unheeded-how-the-relationship-with-no-10-broke-down

Interesting charts with this article as well which I found reassuring - while Wales' growing number of cases is a cause for concern, the fact that the highest placed Welsh region in the UK cases per 100,000 chart is Cardiff all the way down in fifty second does make you wonder whether the "circuit break" lockdown we're almost certain to get in Wales is needed? My own view is that it is, but I accept that are valid arguments on the other side.

What is another lockdown going to do? Delay things a little maybe. If you are having a lockdown to beat the virus then you stop everybody from going anywhere. But that's not going to happen.

But we have so many mixed messages, inconsistencies and contradictions that people are starting to not really give a shit, and are carrying on regardless.

At some point the country is going to have to decide that we have to learn to live with this and make plans to do so.

The politicians are making decisions on things they know little about. They are not planning for a future, not making common sense decisions that will benefit the majority of the population, not taking into account the increasing number of non covid issues that are happing. Other illnesses going undetected, the mental health of a nation being eroded by scare-mongering statements that are then totally ignored by the people who are supposed to be leading by example. The affect on business and jobs.

They get an idea and then run with it even if it goes against guidelines set by organisations better placed to decide.

There is a catalogue of cock ups this year but still Boris thinks we are leading the world in all we do. And no one is allowed to challenge it.

In the past you would respect your politicians. You'd believe they were trying to do the right thing and make everyones lives better. Now they are being exposed as selfish, incompetent and acting on their own ideas that appeal to the minority rather than the majority.

[Michael Morris]

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DRAKEFORD BLINKS – AND BACKS DOWN ON PROPOSED ENGLISH-BORDER TRAVEL-BAN

https://penarthnews.wpcomstaging.com/2020/10/16/drakeford-blinks-and-backs-down-on-proposed-english-border-travel-ban/

[blue matt]

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Just seen your messages now

i thought it strange you didnt reply

flights for Oct wont be out yet, but in a few weeks time, get on it with the cheaper 1st seats, i think thats what i did for Aug as under 20 booked on the flights

[the other bob wilson]

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What is another lockdown going to do? Delay things a little maybe. If you are having a lockdown to beat the virus then you stop everybody from going anywhere. But that's not going to happen.

But we have so many mixed messages, inconsistencies and contradictions that people are starting to not really give a shit, and are carrying on regardless.

At some point the country is going to have to decide that we have to learn to live with this and make plans to do so.

The politicians are making decisions on things they know little about. They are not planning for a future, not making common sense decisions that will benefit the majority of the population, not taking into account the increasing number of non covid issues that are happing. Other illnesses going undetected, the mental health of a nation being eroded by scare-mongering statements that are then totally ignored by the people who are supposed to be leading by example. The affect on business and jobs.

They get an idea and then run with it even if it goes against guidelines set by organisations better placed to decide.

There is a catalogue of cock ups this year but still Boris thinks we are leading the world in all we do. And no one is allowed to challenge it.

In the past you would respect your politicians. You'd believe they were trying to do the right thing and make everyones lives better. Now they are being exposed as selfish, incompetent and acting on their own ideas that appeal to the minority rather than the majority.

I'd say that if it is correct that a two or three week lockdown could delay the progress of the virus for four weeks as has been claimed, then it's worth it if it is right that a vaccine is close to being rolled out. Whether this is true or not is hard to be sure about because there have been mixed messages about vaccines in the last month or so, but my attitude has always been lives over business as far as the virus is concerned - throughout history, people have been adaptable and innovative when reacting to changed circumstances in the business world and have a feeling that this will continue in what was being called the new normal a few months back.

That said, I agree about mixed messages - the UK Governments three tier system was supposed to clarify things with easy to understand definitions which would enable people to understand exactly what was expected of them in the area they lived. However, the new system has barely got up and running and already we start hearing about differences within the tier three category between Liverpool and Lancashire - it's hardly worth bothering with if this is going to become the norm, they may as well have just kept the previous system in place.

[Hilts]

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Ive got flights to Greece but they are rearranged from this year. I think theres every chance I will be doing the same again. Really dont fancy a 4 hour flight in a pandemic.

[LeningradCowboy]

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"How No 10's relationship with its scientists broke down"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/scientists-call-to-arms-went-unheeded-how-the-relationship-with-no-10-broke-down

Interesting charts with this article as well which I found reassuring - while Wales' growing number of cases is a cause for concern, the fact that the highest placed Welsh region in the UK cases per 100,000 chart is Cardiff all the way down in fifty second does make you wonder whether the "circuit break" lockdown we're almost certain to get in Wales is needed? My own view is that it is, but I accept that are valid arguments on the other side.

Despite the lower number of cases in the community, I suspect that hospitals in Wales are closer to breaking point.

[goats]

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What is another lockdown going to do? Delay things a little maybe. If you are having a lockdown to beat the virus then you stop everybody from going anywhere. But that's not going to happen.

But we have so many mixed messages, inconsistencies and contradictions that people are starting to not really give a shit, and are carrying on regardless.

At some point the country is going to have to decide that we have to learn to live with this and make plans to do so.

The politicians are making decisions on things they know little about. They are not planning for a future, not making common sense decisions that will benefit the majority of the population, not taking into account the increasing number of non covid issues that are happing. Other illnesses going undetected, the mental health of a nation being eroded by scare-mongering statements that are then totally ignored by the people who are supposed to be leading by example. The affect on business and jobs.

They get an idea and then run with it even if it goes against guidelines set by organisations better placed to decide.

There is a catalogue of cock ups this year but still Boris thinks we are leading the world in all we do. And no one is allowed to challenge it.

In the past you would respect your politicians. You'd believe they were trying to do the right thing and make everyones lives better. Now they are being exposed as selfish, incompetent and acting on their own ideas that appeal to the minority rather than the majority.

It’s quite amazing how much money they can waste, bumbling along. Apart from the vaccine which I’ve hear could possibly roll out around Christmas for those most in need, the twenty minute test that you can do from home is the one they really need to get on with. They’ve got it elsewhere, Boris says no need to buy it as we are developing our own....

[goats]

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i thought it strange you didnt reply

flights for Oct wont be out yet, but in a few weeks time, get on it with the cheaper 1st seats, i think thats what i did for Aug as under 20 booked on the flights

Been busy this week and don’t glance up to the top of the screen enough.....

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Coronavirus update

I'd say that if it is correct that a two or three week lockdown could delay the progress of the virus for four weeks as has been claimed, then it's worth it if it is right that a vaccine is close to being rolled out. Whether this is true or not is hard to be sure about because there have been mixed messages about vaccines in the last month or so, but my attitude has always been lives over business as far as the virus is concerned - throughout history, people have been adaptable and innovative when reacting to changed circumstances in the business world and have a feeling that this will continue in what was being called the new normal a few months back.

That said, I agree about mixed messages - the UK Governments three tier system was supposed to clarify things with easy to understand definitions which would enable people to understand exactly what was expected of them in the area they lived. However, the new system has barely got up and running and already we start hearing about differences within the tier three category between Liverpool and Lancashire - it's hardly worth bothering with if this is going to become the norm, they may as well have just kept the previous system in place.

How long do you think it will take to vaccinate the entire population?

[the other bob wilson]

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How long do you think it will take to vaccinate the entire population?

A long time, but, hopefully, those whose need is the greatest can be done quickly - once those who needed to be shielded have been given the protection of a vaccination, the situation changes and businesses that have been worst affected can return to something close to normal.

[goats]

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A long time, but, hopefully, those whose need is the greatest can be done quickly - once those who needed to be shielded have been given the protection of a vaccination, the situation changes and businesses that have been worst affected can return to something close to normal.

Over 70 first.....how many are left after the Tories tried to kill them all off in April?

[Hilts]

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A long time, but, hopefully, those whose need is the greatest can be done quickly - once those who needed to be shielded have been given the protection of a vaccination, the situation changes and businesses that have been worst affected can return to something close to normal.

I very much doubt they will operate close to normal when there is a vaccine for the most vulnerable. Any vaccine is very unlikely to guarantee protection.

I doubt they will even vaccinate the entire population.

The likeliest is the most vulnerable and key workers are going to need regular vaccinations. I just cant see say the under 30s with no underlying health conditions being regularly being vaccinated for something that is unlikely to affect them.

The only way the entire population gets vaccinated if something comes along where one jab near 100 percent protects you for life and thats not going to happen.

Normal or near normal will probably be when we come to an acceptable point we can control and live with it.