Ukraine Losses (Allegedly)

[TWGL1]

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Thanks for clarifying that you think the Ukraine war is underplaying the loss of nearly 3k NATO troops. Madness!

The fact is NATO troops have been in the Ukraine for EIGHT years in a war zone, not on holiday as far as I know.
So, whilst the figures may be inaccurate, (nobody is disputing that) it’s hardly bullshit.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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The fact is NATO troops have been in the Ukraine for EIGHT years in a war zone, not on holiday as far as I know.
So, whilst the figures may be inaccurate, it’s hardly bullshit.

I had no idea that the whole of the Ukraine had been a war zone for EIGHT years as Russia still think it's a special operation a year after its invasion of the whole of the country. So in your opinion, whilst the figures of 3k NATO troop fatalities (total bullshit) may be inaccurate, but hardly bullshit.

My opinion is that NO NATO troop has died in the Ukraine conflict. But you think that the 3k figures may be inaccurate but hardly bullshit.

So you think a number above nil and less than 3k. What number is hardly bullshit in your head?

[TWGL1]

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I had no idea that the whole of the Ukraine had been a war zone for EIGHT years as Russia still think it's a special operation a year after its invasion of the whole of the country. So in your opinion, whilst the figures of 3k NATO troop fatalities (total bullshit) may be inaccurate, but hardly bullshit.

My opinion is that NO NATO troop has died in the Ukraine conflict. But you think that the 3k figures may be inaccurate but hardly bullshit.

So you think a number above nil and less than 3k. What number is hardly bullshit in your head?

I’m not a military analyst, why don’t you ask the Hollywood A-listers or Richard Branson but according to Sky News the “Leaked” documents cite the US Defence Intelligence Agency as estimating the number of casualties are around 10 times bigger than any public figures published by either Moscow or Kyiv.

On a separate note , I don’t think Russia has invaded the whole of the country, and as the NATO casualties have not been on the BBC I don’t expect you to think outside the box anyway.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I’m not a military analyst, why don’t you ask the Hollywood A-listers or Richard Branson but according to Sky News the “Leaked” documents cite the US Defence Intelligence Agency as estimating the number of casualties are around 10 times bigger than any public figures published by either Moscow or Kyiv.

On a separate note , I don’t think Russia has invaded the whole of the country.

You started quoting 3K NATO casualties. In justification you want me, anyone to ask Hollywood A-listers or Richard Branson to presumably conclude the answer is higher than one.

Separately you don't think that Russia invaded the whole of Ukraine. Which bits were off limits?

As I said earlier today.

Why do person/people who start silly posts keep on returning to those posts to continue to highlight their initial silliness and additional hole digging contributions? It's almost like they are looking for some vindication for their initial stupidity that only they can see!

[TWGL1]

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You started quoting 3K NATO casualties. In justification you want me, anyone to ask Hollywood A-listers or Richard Branson to presumably conclude the answer is higher than one.

Separately you don't think that Russia invaded the whole of Ukraine. Which bits were off limits?

As I said earlier today.

Why do person/people who start silly posts keep on returning to those posts to continue to highlight their initial silliness and additional hole digging contributions? It's almost like they are looking for some vindication for their initial stupidity that only they can see!

Not looking for any vindication to satisfy anybody, especially you. I think you are incorrect in respect of the fact that you think that Russia has invaded the whole country it’s mainly Eastern Ukraine. I can’t spend all night bickering with you , so if you want to get personal leave it there and don’t embarrass yourself.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I think you are incorrect in respect of the fact that you think that Russia has invaded the whole country it’s mainly Eastern Ukraine.

Is this like saying someone would be incorrect in respect of the fact, whatever that means, by saying that in 1914, Germany didn't invade France, just the eastern part of it before it was stopped?

Bizarre!

[TWGL1]

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I think you are incorrect in respect of the fact that you think that Russia has invaded the whole country it’s mainly Eastern Ukraine.

Is this like saying someone would be incorrect in respect of the fact, whatever that means, by saying that in 1914, Germany didn't invade France, just the eastern part of it before it was stopped?

Bizarre!

How is it bizarre , if you’re correct , well done I missed it, no big deal is , you’re an avid user of a football message-board nothing more ok.

Can you post a link

[cyril evans awaydays]

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How is it bizarre , if you’re correct , well done I missed it, no big deal is , you’re an avid user of a football message-board nothing more ok

Can you post a link

I need to post a link to show that Russia's initial thrust to conquer Ukraine was towards Kyiv in the west of Ukraine, to conquer the whole of Ukraine but they got driven back into Belarus and now the front is the East of Ukraine.

Bizarre!

[TWGL1]

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I need to post a link to show that Russia's initial thrust to conquer Ukraine was towards Kyiv in the west of Ukraine, to conquer the whole of Ukraine but they got driven back into Belarus and now the front is the East of Ukraine.

Bizarre!

I’ve asked because I was under the impression it was mainly in the east and Crimea, as like most of us it only became mainstream last year. As far as I know I didn’t realise it was a full scale invasion and WiKi suggests that also , so if you can post a link, that would be awesome.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I’ve asked because I was under the impression it was mainly in the east and Crimea, as like most of us it only became mainstream last year. As far as I know I didn’t realise it was a full scale invasion and WiKi suggests that also , so if you can post a link, that would be awesome.

You quote the Wiki entry. This is what it said about the breadth of the Russian invasion.

Russian air strikes and a ground invasion were launched along a northern front from Belarus towards Kyiv, a north-eastern front towards Kharkiv, a southern front from Crimea, and a south-eastern front from the Donbas.

The only reason Russian troops are not currently patrolling the streets of Kyiv, Odessa and Lviv is that the Ukranian Army repulsed the thrust to Kviv sent the Russians back into Belarus from whence they came and first halted then reversed Russian advances elsewhere.

Crimea has been in Russian hands since they took it by force for almost a decade.

Hope that has been awesome for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

[TWGL1]

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You quote the Wiki entry. This is what it said about the breadth of the Russian invasion.

Russian air strikes and a ground invasion were launched along a northern front from Belarus towards Kyiv, a north-eastern front towards Kharkiv, a southern front from Crimea, and a south-eastern front from the Donbas.

The only reason Russian troops are not currently patrolling the streets of Kyiv, Odessa and Lviv is that the Ukranian Army repulsed the thrust to Kviv sent the Russians back into Belarus from whence they came and first halted then reversed Russian advances elsewhere.

Crimea has been in Russian hands since they took it by force for almost a decade.

Hope that has been awesome for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ion_of_Ukraine

I’m sorry to disagree but what you have quoted hardly consists of a full scale invasion, more so when I know of three friends who have been visiting Ukraine for various reasons since 2011. They have never said to me that they felt uncomfortable or under threat during this time. One had a long time girlfriend and was back and forth. He even brought over a French Bulldog as they were cheap compared to the UK.
Flights to and from Ukraine were common and actually fairly expensive as it was deemed a popular place to go for stag do’s

What’s strange is that NATO has had a significant presence within the country yet prior to a year ago most UK news outlets looked upon Ukraine in a negative light.

With regards to official data Ukraine's leaders say they don’t see a major U.S. intelligence leak as gravely damaging future offensives. A key reason: They have long held back on sharing their most sensitive operational information, doubting Washington's ability to keep their secrets safe, so we may never know the full extent of losses etc (on both sides)for many years to come.

Hopefully the conflict will be resolved sooner rather than later.

Hope that helps.

https://www.britannica.com/news/2204815/269d112637924fdb2a55d0f52f9cac2d

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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[B]I’m sorry to disagree but what you have quoted hardly consists of a full scale invasion, more so when I know of three friends who have been visiting Ukraine for various reasons since 2011. [B]They have never said to me that they felt uncomfortable or under threat during this time. One had a long time girlfriend and was back and forth. He even brought over a French Bulldog as they were cheap compared to the UK.
Flights to and from Ukraine were common and actually fairly expensive as it was deemed a popular place to go for stag do’s

What’s strange is that NATO has had a significant presence within the country yet prior to a year ago most UK news outlets looked upon Ukraine in a negative light.

With regards to official data Ukraine's leaders say they don’t see a major U.S. intelligence leak as gravely damaging future offensives. A key reason: They have long held back on sharing their most sensitive operational information, doubting Washington's ability to keep their secrets safe, so we may never know the full extent of losses etc (on both sides)for many years to come.

Hopefully the conflict will be resolved sooner rather than later.

Hope that helps.

https://www.britannica.com/news/2204...55d0f52f9cac2d

It was probably Putin's intention to invade and fully control the whole of the Ukraine but Russia's incursion was halted by the Ukranians.
I'm not sure if Cyril intimated that most of the population in Ukraine felt extremely threatened before 2022 (and I visited a few places there myself, although not in the Donbass/Crimea areas). As for the playing down of the leaked intelligence, that was always going to happen and was highly predicatable. The fact is that the US will be playing a large part behind the scenes, just as they aided the UK in the Falklands War and despite posing as relatively neutral in that conflict.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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It was probably Putin's intention to invade and fully control the whole of the Ukraine but Russia's incursion was halted by the Ukranians.
I'm not sure if Cyril intimated that most of the population in Ukraine felt extremely threatened before 2022 (and I visited a few places there myself, although not in the Donbass/Crimea areas). As for the playing down of the leaked intelligence, that was always going to happen and was highly predicatable. The fact is that the US will be playing a large part behind the scenes, just as they aided the UK in the Falklands War and despite posing as relatively neutral in that conflict.

It was a rather strange response that had little to do with the fact that the Russians launched a major assault a year ago aimed at seizing the capital and taking control of the levers of power of an independent sovereign state.

A year earlier my original schedule to watch Wales in the delayed Euros was a Ukraine Air stop over in Kyiv en-route to Baku before covid put the kybosh on that. The idea that people never felt uncomfortable or under threat commuting after the invasion I thought he was talking about is laughable. Presumably the 8m Ukranians who fled the country after the invasion weren't doing so because they found a lucrative means of exporting French Bulldogs.

Since the Russians were kicked out north of Kyiv and elsewhere, the invasion force is still threatening the whole of Ukraine. Their rockets have sought to destroy vital energy and water supply infrastructure as far west as Lviv, causing civilian casualties in their wake.

Still TWGL1's mates had a few good nights way before all this started so any suggestion that this was an invasion aimed at control of the whole of Ukraine is obviously nonsense!

[TWGL1]

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It was a rather strange response that had little to do with the fact that the Russians launched a major assault a year ago aimed at seizing the capital and taking control of the levers of power of an independent sovereign state.

A year earlier my original schedule to watch Wales in the delayed Euros was a Ukraine Air stop over in Kyiv en-route to Baku before covid put the kybosh on that. The idea that people never felt uncomfortable or under threat commuting after the invasion I thought he was talking about is laughable. Presumably the 8m Ukranians who fled the country after the invasion weren't doing so because they found a lucrative means of exporting French Bulldogs.

Since the Russians were kicked out north of Kyiv and elsewhere, the invasion force is still threatening the whole of Ukraine. Their rockets have sought to destroy vital energy and water supply infrastructure as far west as Lviv, causing civilian casualties in their wake.

Still TWGL1's mates had a few good nights way before all this started so any suggestion that this was an invasion aimed at control of the whole of Ukraine is obviously nonsense!

I see you have totally bypassed the main points as it doesn’t fit your mainstream agenda does it , you’re hilarious at times. What are you going to do with yourself when this agenda pivots, which it will, wet the bed

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I see you have totally bypassed the main points as it doesn’t fit your mainstream agenda does it , you’re hilarious at times. What are you going to do with yourself when this agenda pivots, which it will, wet the bed

What are the main points so the bemused of this thread are clear?